A.) In what specific ways have you been forced to conform (conditioned, controlled, vegetized, roboticized, zombiefied, brainwashed) so that your individual traits may only be used to benefit the/a system you're a part of? How are you shunned or when you do not do what you "should"? What are your general thoughts about conformity? Is "independent thought" possible?
B.) In what specific ways have you been allowed or encouraged to be a free-spirited individual who cultivates all the particular, inherent talents and abilities you were given?
And how is our great motto this year, "Like No Other," ironic and connected to our study of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? Is this the main problem these men face--they simply are "different"? (By the end of the novel, you will have an enlightened perspective, thanks to Kesey.)
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1 – 200 of 216 Newer› Newest»Are the ten Homecoming candidates the way we all should be? Is that what society expects us to be? And if we're not like them, should we be discarded or shunned?
And is our dress code actually stricter than O'Gorman's (because each of us enforces it)? The jocks should dress like __________? The bandos should dress like ______________? The emos dress like ________? The preps dress like ______________?
"Like no other"? Really?
"Get like me"? Exactly like you? What if I cannot? What if I will not? Consequences for not "getting like you"?
Are there consequences for not trying or wanting to be like--or being able to be like--Miley Cyrus, Katherine Heigl, Megan Fox...or like Paul Walker, Seth Rogen, Jonah Hill, Ryan Reynolds, Shia Labeouf?
Conformity: a major Cuckoo's Nest theme.
I think the homecoming candidates are not how we should all be. They are all different themselves and no one should feel like they have to be like them. I think it takes alot of courage though to be yourself, stand up for what you believe in and not just go with the flow at school. Alot of people probably feel like they have to dress a certain way to be accepted and feel like if they don't conform other people's style they wont fit in. I think in a way that is a consequence for not wanting to be like everyone else.
people that try to be something that they are not to try to fit in is conformity in my eyes.
You just basically said the defenition of conformity...
Conformity forces people to be what they are really not.
I think that the people that get elected arent really what we want ourselves to be, they are what we want them to be. People picked them because they thought thats how a homcoming king or queen should be like.
Good job Matt.
Homecoming King and Queen in my perspective is mainly based on popularity level. Which means to us that we shouldn't all have to be like them because what if someone doesnt want to be popular? They like the way they live and dont want to mess that up with becoming popular. We shouldn't be shunned or discarded just for not wanting to roll with the crowd, we have rights to ya know.
I personally don't know what O'Gormans dress code is and if we are stricter than ok, mainly people here dress the way they want to or they type of person they are, for example; prep, jock, emo, and bandos.
"Like No Other" is difining our personalitys because we dress the same for games when everyone wears white or black. Everyone goes through or does conformity without even knowing it. There are things like driving on the right side of the road, wearing clothes, and another one would be obeying laws most of the time.
I would not want you to be like me because it would creep me out if i had a clone basically. There would be no consequences for not being like me because i personally dont care or desire someone to be like me.
It really depends on how good you are at being like that person because if you can pull it off so well that someone actually thinks your them, it could get you into trouble. Expecially if you play it off long enough to the point where other high up people are calling you to book things or ask you to appear somewhere. There are consequences for that because its impersonating a person and that's highly illegal, I dont know the actual term for it but I know it's illegal.
i agree with janssen....dont try to fit in to be cool be yourself
I agree with Janssen...if people try to act like something they aren't they get away from who they are as people...and I don't think our dress code is more strict than theirs...they are all there because they all believe one thing religously and they have to live with the consequence of dressing all the same...here we have to option of conforming or not...it helps us with individuality and with people skills and dealing with peer pressure
Just because you are nominated as a Homecoming candidate, doesn’t mean you are the "model" student for all others to copy. The nominees are just popular people we all decided deserved to be candidates as a whole student body. If you aren't like them, there should be no reason to shun them, just because they are different. The whole "like no other" motto is ironic and unrealistic, since we all are like no other, except when we conform to others' ideas of unique style. If you can't conform, there shouldn’t be any consequences, since not conforming is just being an individual! We are forced to conform in school by becoming "perfect" students that always obey the rules and never show any individuality. If everyone conforms, our individual special talents would be either used if they are useful, or thrown away since it doesn’t benefit the "Man". We are "shunned" if we don’t follow the rules by punishment or being forced to go to East Dakota and act like blubbering idiots by not being challenged in school. I think conformity is essential to society since if we are individuals, it would be pure chaos everywhere! Yes, independent thought is possible, but not everyone thinks independently, some just copy the real "independent thinkers". In any art class, they tell you to be a "free-spirited individual" so you will express yourself, thus, make excellent art.
Do work Todd!!!
i think brandon is full of conformist but they denie it because they dont want to be frowned upon for being different
A)I have been conformed by the adults in my life. They have always told me what to do and how to do it. At school we go from class to class when a bell rings. This is a system that is supposed to help us learn. Most people are considered weird if they look different or act different then other people.
B) I have been told to be different by being allowed to wear what I want, have my own specific hobbies, and have my own opinions on things. I am also allowed to make my own decisions on what I want to do.
--I don't think that we have to be like the homecoming candidates because they are each individuals themselves and they should be showing us that we can be our own person and don't have to be exactly like them. We can look up to someone without being exactly like them.
Agree with Janssen? He just stated the defenition of conformity!? If you dont agree with him then your not educated in my opinion.
I think that a lot of the consequence for not conforming to societies laws will get you shunned and ignored or even made fun of and laughed at. Some people will even try and change themselves and conform just so that others will like them. Those people aren’t really be true to themselves and probably aren’t happy being who they’re not. If those people would just be themselves and choose not to conform they would find people who accept them for who they are not what they try to be. Be yourself because the people who mind don’t matter and the people who matter don’t mind.
Janssen the whole world is full of conformist
No matter how you do something your going to be a conformist. Everything you do has be duplicated in the past. If you try to be a rebel and lets say "kill" someone, thats already been done and your still being a conformist. Everyone is a conformist, just gonna have to deal with it...its life.
very true andrew.
Amundson is correct. If you try and be a rebel against conformity you are just joining another group of conformists against major conformity.
Our dress code is not as strict as O'G because they dont even give people the option to dress like an athlete or goth. They do not have to dress like that, they choose to. No one expects them to do that...and if they change then people arent going to say anything, atleast not to them. Which sounds bad but gossip is unavoidable for some people.
No! We shouldnt be like them because if everyone was the same and conformed life would be dull. And why would society want all of us to be the same? We shouldnt be shunned or discarded because if we are not like everyone else. People should be their own self and do their own thing.
We have a slack dress code. We can whear anything we want that is approprate. Some people may feel pressured to whear something to fit in but i beleive that people should be their ownself and dress how they want.
is blogging conformists i mean mr. c is telling us to do it. are we being conformists by blogging about conformity?
I mean we are being conformist right now, were all blogging...So if you dont want to be a conformist stop? Yet there are people that do that. So either way you look at it your conforming.
No, you should be able to be anything that you want to. It doesn't matter if you got nominated for homecoming court because people usually just vote for they friends and not for people that would be a better role model.
The candidates are not how we all should be. We voted for them, but that doesn't mean that we should act like them. Everybody is different. Society is always trying to give us a model to be like. So yes the society would think we should be just like the homecoming candidates. If we aren't like them we shouldn't be shunned. We shouldn't be looked down upon because we all have our own qualities. I think our dress code allows us to be our own person. Some people in "groups" might dress alike but they probably just think the same.
Yes Janssen we are conforming. You claim to be a rebel and not like anyone else, yet your doing this.
that is very true andrew
How is this conformity? We're argueing about it not with it. If it was conformity we'd all we agreeing and it would be a very short topic.
We are conformists!!
I think that "like no other" is a realistic statement, because I believe that everyone has the potential to be their own unique person, because everyone has there own unique challenges and problems that shape them into who they are.
A)I think conformity is being forced to being like everyone else and a lot of things makes us conform. School makes us conform everyday by making us come at a certain time and making us do the same assignments. People like the homecoming canditates are people we may look up to but we should be happy with ourselves and be our own person. Someone who didnt get nominated could feel not as cool when we should all feel good about ourselves.
B)Sports make us show our individual talents by making our own touchdown or shooting a basket. It makes us feel good that we made a point and did it ourselves.
Like No other is ironic because we get faced with being "in" everyday on what your wearing or doing. If we're like no other we should be comfortable with ourselves.
Todd, the argument isnt that were arguing about or with it, its that we are simply doing it. That is what makes us the "conformist"
I think that people should not feel like they are being forced to change who they are to try to fit in and be something they are not just because the majority of people think or do something a certain way. They are not really being forced to change, they only feel as though they are. More people should step out of their box and be themselves and not be afraid to be different from others.
I don't believe that we should all be like the homecoming candidates. Society expects so much out of us that it forms us to be different that who we really are. Of course we shouldn't be shunned but we are. We should be alowed to be ourselves without being judged. Our dress code isn't that strict. We are aloud to dress the way we want to and express ourselves
In sports we are often forced to conform; they make us wear the same uniform and often the same clothes for practice. For dance especially, everyone has to look exactly alike at competitions and make sure that all our motions and style for each routine is the same.
-I don't think our dress code is stricter than OG's. if they don't conform and wear their uniform, they'd get punished just like we would if we would wear something inappropriate. Just because someone is a 'jock' or a 'bando' or is considered 'preppy' doesn't neccessarily mean that they all dress alike.
Question A.
I think I have been conformed by my parents, teachers, and other mentors. At home I'm told I have to use manners and how to act. "Don't do this, don't do that." Teachers at school tell you what your supposed to do and when your supposed to do it. "Now open your book to page 36." All though I have these people in my life telling me to do this and that, I try to still be myself and not conform to much. When I do stuff im not "supposed" to do or don't act the way im "supposed" to I don't worry about it to much. I try to stay true to my own thoughts and feelings
Question B.
Althought my parents try to conform me at times, they also tell me to be myself and to do what my heart tells me to do. They encourage me to persue my dreams.
Homecoming Candidates
I agree with Jenna. We definantly don't have to be like the homecoming candidates. They got nominated for individual reasons weather it was because they are the star of the football team, a nice person, or whatever. Those reasons are apart of who they are individualy. If we all were like them we would have conformity. If everone just acts like themselves there will be no conformity.
Everyone in the world tries to conform to something in there life even if they don't realize it. Everyone has a desire to be accepted by other people and hates the feeling of rejection.
YEA!
If we don't conform in society and listen to the laws and rules then we will be punished and have to sit somewhere until we do conform.
Rejection does blow!
Good point Olson. I like it!
no matter what you do or what you say you will in some way be a conformist
who decides whats cool then? we should inspire others to be different and do and wear what we want.
or you could be like janssen and be a repel and do what you want and wear what you want.
People say that in sports you show your individual talent. So lets say you get a one handed grab and its sweet. Everyone goes crazy. But how many one handed grabs have you seen, hundereds i bet. So either way you will conform. The O line has to conform by being in a certain stance and not moving. So again, no matter what your a conformist.
Many people like Janssen wear the same things. conformist.
Janssen does not wear what everyone else does, have you seen his attire? Its crazy, outgoing! ha!
At our volleyball practices we are forced to comform. Everyday, even our socks and the color of our headbands have to match. If we do not conform, we must run. Usually people are not very happy with that person. I was that person once, because I forget to take out an earing. Not fun. I think that making us wear the same thing is stupid. Especially when one of those shirts we had to all wear said "wearing the same shirt doesnt make you a team". Then why do we all have to!
I agree with matt in his point that just because someones nominated as a Homecoming candidate, doesn't mean they're someone to follow. I nominated the people I did because they're dedicated students and just genuine people in general, not because of how popular they are or what kind of clothes they wear. I think society expects us to be different. There's no way we're all going to fit into a specific mold and I think that's the way it should be. No one should be shunned.
I think what the question is about is conforming as a person not as an athlete...what do u believe in
I think we don't have to be like the ten candidates that were chosen for homecoming king and queen. Society always has a different opinion on youth, but we don't all have to be the same and be the way society wants us to. If people aren't like them, that doesn't mean that they should be shunned. Everyone should be their own person and be accepted for who they really are, and not for what society wants them to be.
The dress code we have allows us to express ourselves and dress the way we want to. Having a dress code where everyone dresses the same takes that away a little.
I believe alot of people at our school do conform to what they see. They don't want to be the outkast with no friends, so they will dress the same and do the same as the others to try in fit in. In my opinion we all should just accept people for who they really are instead of judging people for what they look like. I kinda agree with Todd in the fact the Homecoming Royalty is kind of like a popularity contest. Its the people who are most recongized in the school who has alot of friends on every grade level who get nominated. Being like them will only make you feel worse because you're being who someone else is and not yourself. I believe people should get away from being conformed and showing people the real person you are. And with our dress codes and O'G's dress code. We are two different school districts so of course they will be different. I believe ours compared to theirs is less strict because they are a Catholic school and ours is just a public. And the "get like me", if you were exactly like someone else wouldn't you get sick of being their shadow?
I don't think that candidates are people to follow in certain ways but they were nominated for a reason. Some have qualities people envy and others it seems like luck. Just because you aren't up for king or queen doesn't mean there is something wrong with you in particular. People try to conform because it's safer than standing out and trying to be yourself. We can't deny the fact that everyone is different in many ways that's what makes us individuals.
In a sports practice we are forced to conform by wearing the exact same outfits, like that makes us a better team? It's absolutely ridiculous. When we don't wear what we're supposed to we are punished by our coaches by running, or frowned upon by our teammates. This is just a minor example of conformity. When someone walks down the hallway wearing something thought of as "strange" we all make little comments and give looks; solely for what they are wearing! Because it isn't "cool". I do believe independent thought is possible, but it is definitely not excepted. If as an individual I found it alright to wear no pants to school, I would get into trouble. I feel that conformity is just something we must face daily and there is simply no way around it. As sad as this may be, unless we want to end up in jdc or some other type of excluded atmosphere, we cannot escape conformity's grasp.
I don't think we need to be like the homecoming candidates. Each one of the candidates are different, none of them have conformed. I don't think people should conform to them just because they're on the court.. that just makes them fake from my perspective. They're trying to be something they're not, and that's not right. People are forced to conform everyday though in other areas. In sports practices athletes are forced to conform such as wearing the same thing, and possibly getting punished for not dressing right. Also, if there is a very good athlete, others tend to act as them so they can get higher in the sport, not necessarily because they want to but they feel they have to to succeed.
In my opinion, if somebody feels they have to do something just because somebody else is, they simply dont have enough self confidence to make their own decisions and feel obligated to follow others footsteps.
Question A
At home I can't always speak my mind. I've been hospitable to someone I didn't like because that was what was expected of me. If I wouldn't've been hospitable, I would've had to listen to a lecture about how I was rude to our guest for at least an hour. I would love for my mother to ignore me after something like that HAHAHA. With conformity, i think people can have their "independant thought", you just wouldn't necessarily be able to voice it.
Question B
I'm allowed to express myself by voicing my opinions, through the way I dress, the way I act, the way I socialize.
Question C
the teachers all have the same t-shirts that say Like No Other on them, as well as the Senior Leadership Team. Also the guys in this novel are truely like no other and they were shunned, but we boast about being unique and we're praised for it.
I believe that homecoming court as a whole is kind of a conformity. We elect people based on our oppinions of them, and only those who have the most votes are entered into the court. If they have the majority vote than there is something that the majority of people see that qualifies them. But what about the people who dont have those qualities? In our environment we are believe that we are not conforming by dressing a certain way or acting a certain way, and although we may be displaying certain aspects that are entirely our own, we are concious of whether it will be accepted or not. If we are too different our peers look at us as if we are not acceptalbe even if we are just being ourselves. So if we dont dress in a way that resembles the norm or do things the way that has been deemed socially acceptable we have no chance at even being considered for the privalage of being part of the homecoming court. So in the long run we are expected to be a certain way to get into a social cirlcle large enough to get you into the running. So if you look at it in retrospect it is a conformity. Even if the candidates themselves are not like each other they are like a certain group who supported them. Being different doesnt always mean you are not conforming because there will still be those little things that are the same as others because without them you wouldnt be noticed in the first place.
As far as our motto for the year... There are things that set everyone apart from those around them because everyone is structured differently and posses different abilities and interests. However, when we say that we are like no other and display what our abilities and interests are it gives the message to most people that they should try to keep up with that persons accomplishments. At this point they have conformed to the general competition of success. Its the American dream to have the most money and be the most successful, but if the society as a whole was poor then and tacit then how would we measure success?
the homecoming thing is different for everyone in our school. some people need different motivations to participate in the festivities and some people dont even like participating at all. i think it should be completely up to them and no one should try to conform them for bein something they're not. which is ridiculous because some people just dont wanna conform and i think they shouldnt have too
I don't think we need to be like the homecomming canidates. If we follow in each others footsteps, we will end up going backwards in society. Also, if we shun or discard all of the "imperfects", we'll end up in the dark ages again.
I don't think that we have a stricter dress code than O'Gorman. Though we are not allowed to wear certain items, they are not the schools rules to ban them, it's enforced by the constitution. Alright, so some the school bans, but most is blocked by the national government.
How can you complain about being required to wear the same uniform as your fellow teamates. It's part of being on a team. If you all wore differnt uniforms judges or competitors wouldn't know who to judge you as or which team you were on.
The motto "Like No Other" is ironic because in this novel the Big Nurse is trying to confomr these people to be the perfect man. She wants them all to be a like in many ways and doesn't want their individuality to shine.
I think athletes are forced to conform to eachother to become a team. In practice we have to dress the exact same and if someone forgets the right color or shirt we have to run. Also, if a certain athlete is amazing at that sport he is looked up to and the younger kids and maybe his teammates try to conform to his lifestyle.
We shouldn’t be like our homecoming candidates because they are there own people and have their own personalities. If we were suppose to be like them, we would all be up for homecoming so there wouldn’t be anything special about any of us. So we may not even have homecoming. I think society wants us to be ourselves because the world wouldn’t be this way if we were all the same (or like the candidates). We shouldn’t be shunned or discarded because we all have a different past so we won’t be the same people because our past is who we are today.
Our dress code isn’t more strict because we can were what we want, as long as its appropriate. O’G kids have to were the same colors. I feel like people should were whatever they want no matter what “group” we belong to.
"get like me" is simply to motivate the underclassmen that do not perform to their full potential on a cheer squad. Not to literally "get like meagan donovan because she is sooo cool." I would never expect someone to be completely like somebody else, it isn't possible. And homecoming; complete popularity contest in my mind unless someone's mother had some type of influence on them being in the roster. The only reason those people are up is because of their friend count, not because of their service to the community or anything else like that. Just because they are well liked. You are entitled to think about homecoming however you may choose...I just think its a pointless vote.
The way you dress and the way you act should never be dictated by the people around you. People should be able to choose who they want to be and how they want to appear. If everybody talkes the same, walks the same, and has the same personality; society becomes the individual and everybody will have the same opinions about the same subjects.
With the Homecoming Question, i don't think that what we should be like because if everybody tried to be like them, than we would be conforming, and than we'd be doing exactly what so many have fought against in the past.
Homecomming canadates, i personaly think they are almost the way they it should be. I personaly think think that Homecommin king and queen is a little rediculus. We try and get the whole class and teach the younger classes that it cant be separated. Having separated classes makes more drama to deal with then any student has to. People shouldnt feel like they should be just like the king and queen. Everybody is an individual, and if you are not like they you shouldnt be discarded or shunned.
Our dress code is not stricter than O'Gormans. Their school is that they all have to wear the same thing and cant be an individual. As in our school we can dress how we feel, or we want. Having a dress code wouldnt be able to have people dress for them selves. there would be all conformity and no Individualism. We do have clicks with the jocks and bandos emos, preps, but not all dress how society puts views them.
I agree with Stowater's comment about how everyone tries to conform in some way because we want to be accepted by others
I agree with Katie's comment. It's ridiculous that we have to wear the same shirt, socks, and headbands every practice, and if we don't we have to run or do some ohter form of punishment. One time a teammate of mine tried to stand up to the coach in order to stop the conformity and it resulted in more running. At least she made an effort.But I don't understand why we have to look the same its not like it makes us practice harder or play better it just annoyes us immensely. We have been brainwased week after week to think that we must look the same! Last year one of our shirts said "wearing the same shirt doesn't make you a team" Um ok? Then why do we have to it doesn't make sense!
Homecoming canidatetes are kinda elected they way they are. But on the other hand we shouldnt be exactly like them, because everyone dresses differently and has their own personalities. If society expects us all to be the same there wouldnt be a society since everyone would have the same clothes and same personalities. Since were not like them we shouldnt be discarded because everyone is different in every way and form.
I dont think that our dress code is stricker than OG's because we get to wear pretty much what ever we want such as sweatpants and jeans or shorts also t-shirts/sweatshirts. Unlike them they have to wear polos and khackis. It doesnt matter if your a jock or a bando or a prep or a emo. They dress how the society wants them to dress.
"Like no other" is a phrase you could take two ways. The first way is what most people will think of, and it could be negative (Cuckoo's Nest). The people who are 'like no other' are ones we don't look up to, ones that are different, act different, and are not anywhere near what a standard person should be like in our eyes. I don't think it's fair to exclude people because they don't act or look the same. If we treat them bad we are just proving that people do conform. The other way we could look at the phrase is that we're changing things around in school. We are not conforming to what the old seniors did. We are trying to start something new, spice things up. We were sick of the old ways and decided it was our turn to make the year different and more like our senior class. So, we are "Like no other"
No, we should not all be like the Homecoming candidates. We are all individuals so we are all different. They didn't conform just because they are the Homecoming candidates. You shouldn't feel like you have to conform to what they are like. People might feel like they are expected to be or look a certain way, but I don't think that it's necessary. Just because we aren't like them doesn't mean we should be shunned.
I don’t think that we should necessarily be like the homecoming candidates. They all have some kind of quality that we all want to have, but that doesn’t mean that they are the perfect people and that everyone should be just like them. I think popularity plays a huge part in choosing our homecoming candidates. People are more likely to choose the popular people, or the people in sports and band. I don’t think that that is a good way to base your vote. I hope that someday people will chose candidates based on their real qualities, not just their looks or talents.
I think in some ways we are shunned if we don’t look the way society wants us to look. We have all stopped and stared when we’re at the mall and we see someone who looks or dresses different than what the norm is. Just because they don’t look normal like everyone else doesn’t mean that they don’t have just as many good qualities as anyone else. People automatically think certain things about you by the way you dress. People should always be free to express themselves.
these men in cuckoo's nest are literally "like no other." So the big nurse is trying to conform all of them to be thrown back out into society. They're currently excluded from everyone else in a mental institution because they aren't "fit" enough to be out alone. They break the mold. For example, RP McMurphy is a mold-breaker; gambling, drinking, smoking, sexing. Those are generally viewed grotesque by society, yet he is a perfectly functioning individual in the mind. But in a mental institution for not comforming? weird..
our dress code lets us express ourselves. if we all wore the same thing then we would all look alike. but some people would still try to look different because no one likes to look like eachother.
I don't think we should try to be like our homecoming candidates. We all should be our own person. Some of the candidates we could look up to because there was a reason they made it. But some of them just made it because they have more friends and are popular. But I believe a few made it up there because they are someone we could look up to.
I like the shirts "Like no other" because you shouldn't be like anyone other. Be yourself! Just because your friends like to party doesn't mean you have to party. Stand up for what you believe in. Don't let anyone tell you what to do. Stand up for what you believe in and what you think is right. You don't have to conform. The people you surround yourself with might not be there with you in a few years. After high school you might not see these peole ever again. Make a lasting impression on the people around you. You want people to remember you were the person who didnt always confrom to everyone else, you were yourself
I dont like the "Get like me" shirts because it makes people think they need to be like them in order to fit in. If people dont like you because you dont conform with everyone else then dont be their friend. you dont have to be friends with people who want you to change. your friends should like you no matter what.
i think we should be our own person. no one should conform and be like everyone else. they gotta be their own person otherwise our world would be boring and lifeless and thats no fun, people gotta have fun in their lives so no no one should be like our homecoming king or queen or even the candidates. those people are candidates because they have something special about them that made them a candidate and everyone may not have that special somethin but we all have something special about us anyway so we should just be that person and no one else
I think it is almost impossible to avoid conformity on the outside. No matter what you wear or how you look there's always going to be some form of conformity going on. But on the inside you have your own personality and your own unique traits.
The Big Nurse is trying to make all of the patients conform to be like the way society wants them to be. So in a way, the patients that may be "fixed" lose their way and aren't themselves anymore. All they would be now would be a "success".
No, I don't think that we should be like the homecoming candidates. If we beome like the homecoming candidates we are just conforming to society's standard of what a teenager should be. I think that society expects us to try to be like the homecoming candidates or desire to be them, but really what fun is it trying to be something you're not. Those who aren't like the homecoming candidates shouldn't be shunned.
I don't think our dress code is stricter then OG's. We can express ourselves in whatever way we want whether that be preppy, athletic, emo or whatever else. OG has to dress in the same way as all the other OG students
i think that the homecoming candidates are not conformists but good people who everyone respects for the acts they believe are right and have performed to become better people. and if people try to be like them and conform to what they think they are then hopefully they become a model citizen that the homecoming candidates are... or hopefully are.
I think we're all conformists in some way, even if we don't try to be.
we get forced to conform in school all the time. i heard a great thing once, "that clock on the wall, it runs our lives from 8:00 to 3:10." in drumline we conform also, everyone has to play, march and sound the same. we wear matching uniforms.... if we don't conform in school or drumline, we get referals or have to do pushups and get punished in various ways. since we began "Cuckoo's Nest" i've been thinking about how bad humans are conformed and it just makes me want to stick out in a group by going against the flow. Independent THOUGHT is possible. but independent behavior is not when we live in a society like today's.
even in school were confomist becuse of bells, and teachers!
in all reality like everyones been saying we are all conformists in some way shape or form even if we dont want to b like the homecoming candidates then like stated before your just being a conformist in a different group of people and one way or another you are shunned by a group of idividuals no matter what you do in life from sports to house hold chores theres a consequence for not conforming
i think our dress codes IS stricter than OG's because they only allow a certain thing be we allow basically everything which makes up have to eliminate items judged by our own free will, and the will of the school, to figure out what is and isn't appropriate for our school. being told what to wear isn't strict its structure and if the structure falls everything goes down with it.
South Dakota has come up with the No Child Left Behind law that forces children to go to school. Although there are some restrictions as to the classes that one can take in high school, all of those restrictions vanish as soon as you graduate. If one chooses to move onto college they can pick any field of careers that they want, but every single one of those fields are designed to help out the country in some way, shape, or form.
The school does, however, allow us to express our individuality to some extent. We are allowed to wear the clothes we want, unlike O'Gorman, we are allowed to participate in the sports that we want, and we are allowed a little freedom in the classes we take.
Just because the people that made the Homecoming court doesn't make them models for the rest of us. Just because one individual wasn't nominated doesn't mean they are outcasts. Every student has something to offer this school and the students that did get nominated got nominated because of those traits. The dress code question has two different sides to it. O'Gorman's dress code is strict in the way that guys and girls all have to dress a certain way. Our dress code is strict in that the clothes that you wear determine who you fit in with. At this school people judge others by the way they dress.
In school you are forced to conform to there rules you can't just walk out of a class when you want to you have to be there for the amount of time that is specified by the people above you. I don't think are dress code is rather easy for us to follow as long as you don't have anything inapporpriate on your shirt or. They trust us enough to wear what we want to and when we do step out of line they fix it by either telling us to go home or just trun are shrit inside out but if the school didn't make a big deal over the things we wear it would make school easier for us in we can wear what we wear. The free spirited individuals are like the artist for they can intrupert there art in the way they want so they and so can everyone else can take it how they want to
Even I make you conform, Stirling?! How?
yes,you controll us by making us learn and stay in school, make us like books we may hate, making us read write ect!
i think at some point in time everyone is a conformist to fit in with the group of friends they hang out with. you may not conform to the homecoming court but no matter what you'll conform to something in your life.
A) I have been forced to conform in sports. You can't always do something to help better yourself. You have to look at the big picture. Think what is best for the team. You can't always go after your individual goals. You can't always conform to everything that everyone else does. If you conform to what everyone else is doing you start to lose individuality. Independent thought is possible. Everybody has the right to there own opinion on matters.
B) My parents have always encouraged me to do things that i like. They allow me to make my own choices for my life. Occasionally they will give me some advice on some matters to help improve the choice I have made.
The entirety of our existense is conforming to something. If you follow the rules, you conform to what the government wants of you. If you do what your parents tell you, you are conforming to their wishes. No matter what you do in life you are always conforming, you may not be conforming to the majority but there is more than likely than not, someone out there who wants you to do that, there is no way to break out of conformity. Each individual must do what he/she wants, ingnoring what they are conforming to, because no matter what a person does they are conforming to a group.
some groups that people may join for fun turns out being a cult. aka drumline. it used to be fun and games (why i joined) and now its all "we gotta be good! that last run sucked! c'mon (name)! this is your fault. people love controlling each other when they're given power. no one can deny it. and in a cult, you HAVE TO conform. and if you don't... the threats start.... sometimes abuse
we are encouraged/allowed to be a free-spirited individual in the essays we write and the activities we participate in.
I dont believe that everyone should be like a homecoming candidate. Being and acting like everyone else would be boring. Everyone is different in their own ways and we should be able to express that without critcism. To be in or cool many people think that acting the way the popular people do is they way to go. Or that they have to dress the way everyone else is or what is "in". But being yourself is the only way people get to know the real you.
Our motto "Like No Other" is connected to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest because in the novel each person in the ward has a different issue. The only real thing they have in common is the fact that they are all in the same place. Like the students in our school. We are all in the same place but each of us has our own individual ideas and skills. Each student at BVHS has their own worries and problems, like the patients in the novel.
A. We are forced to conform everyday in school and at work. The bells and the clock run our lives in school. When the bell rings you must go to your other class when the second bell rings 4 minutes later you must be in your next class or you are punished if you are tardy the whole class makes sure you know it. People are shunned for how they dress because they are not like everybody else and look different. I think conformity is impossible to avoid. No matter what you do you are conformig.
B. The quote "Be who you want to be those who mind don't matter those who matter don't mind" but in all realness those who matter do mind because if you are your true self all the time you are going to surrond yourself with people that are just like you which means you are conforming to that group of people.
C. The homecoming canidates are not who we should all be but more our ideal friends...the people that know how to conform to being around many different people. They are all they're own person but know how to conform when with different people.
D. Our dress code is nothing like O'G's in the fact that we can chose how we dress but its all part of conformity. The emos that dress different from the jocks/preps are frowned apon by the jocks/preps/bandos/slackers ect.... everybody conforms into dressing how they're group of friends choses to dress.
In good ol' America we are allowed to practice rights that allow us to be ourselves; we are allowed to choose what we do in life, where we go, who our friends are, and how we think.
If all you do is conform in high school what are you going to do when you go to college and people are totally different and you have to make new friends who may just like you because of the person you became in high school when you conformed to everyone. Granted you will conform to some degree but it it is to the point to where you lose your own personal identity and are just another person then you lost what you've worked for your whole life. When you go to college and say a girl starts liking you for who you appear to be and not who you really are what are you going to do when things get serious? She's going to find out who you really are and if she doesnt like that person you have wasted a good part of your life with the wrong girl. I think that conformity starts with parents. When their kids are younger and don't really want to play football but they throw them in there anyway just to be like all the other kids teaches their children that that is what they should be doing for the rest of their lives, just trying to fit in. If the parents allow the kids to choose what activities they want to be in so they can start making true friends other than friends that they are forced to be with because of a sport that they are playing. I think that the Homecoming royalty is made up of very unique people each with their own swager. Each of the Queen canidates are different and unique in their own way along with the guys. For the people who make a conscience effort to not conform, they are the ones who will get shunned because they are so much different than everyone else. Everyone conforms no matter what you say everyone has someone they look up to and tries to be like them so you are bound to conform at some point or another it's just about how much you allow yourself to conform.
If we were all like the Homecoming candidates, we would all be Homecoming candidates. There would be no individuality We should not be shunned or discarded because we are not like them.
I think that in school everyone is forced to be somewhat vegetized, because you have to do what everyone else is doing in each seperate class. If you decide to go/think "outside the box" people will either look down upon you or even "Shun" you in a way. Most teachers dont give students the chance to openly do a project with their own mind. Just about all schools are full of people that conform and act the way they think they should act instead of being there own person. But if everyone acted truely different the world could reach a state of chaos. "Independent thought" is abtainable under certain circumstances but not all the time. The only thing that i can think of that can truly express someones individuality is in art where you a encouraged to "freely think".
Chris--Kesey's novel is art, right!?
I think everyone is forced to conform sooner or later to places in which you want to fit it. If you're in a sport, you have to conform to a practice schedule and all the requirements set by the coaches or rest of the team. Most kids also have to conform to their parents by following their rules and guidelines and if you don't then you don't necessarily get shunned but you'd possibly get grounded which is just as bad. I think conformity kind of stinks but in some ways it keeps order so we have to live with it occasionally. I also think that independent thought is good though because if we werent able to think our own thoughts then we wouldnt be our own person and everyone would act the exact same.
Our Homecoming Candidates are elected for the friends they have and how they treat everyone around them. Just because they are well-liked doesn't mean we have to conform to their behavior. We all have our own ideas and thoughts about seperate things. If society expected us to act like them, there would be a lot of rebellion because everyone enjoys being themselves.
I think our dress code is much more slack than O'G. We can wear what we want when we want and ususally don't get in trouble for it. They have to wear just about the same thing everyday. I hear they have dress-down days but they're probably still prohibited to what they're allowed to wear.
Jessi--society will say we should be "more like" those homecoming candidates, right?
In the Disney movie “The Incredibles” many people with super powers struggle to fit in to society because the other citizens think they harm more than help. They are known as Supers. In one family Dash, the youngest boy, is arguing with his mother about how the Supers are unique and should be able to use there powers. The mom responds saying
-Everyone’s Unique.
Dash says
-Which is another way of saying nobody is.
Is it just a little kid acting immature? Or are we really all “unique”?
I think in a way we all are similar whether we like it or not. We generally want to be accepted and liked by people whether it is trying to be accepted by other emos, jocks, or preps. But in ways everybody is different also. We were all raised differently and we don’t all have the exact same ambitions for life. Yeah some may be similar or close but I don’t believe that two brains functions the exact same.
Of course Kesey's novel is art, Mr. Christensen, all writing and essays are art, no matter how trivial or insignificant :)
We all follow conformity in some little way. If everyone was the same the world would be so boring. Everyone has their own unique characteristics that set them apart from everyone else. There are people that we would like to look like/act like but nobody should follow people because you can't really change who you are and that is what makes you you is being yourself. The homecoming kings and queens were mostly chosen because they have special characteristics that make them stick out and they don't conform with everyone else.
OG's dress code is way more strick than us. They want everyone to look the same and conform together which makes it very boring because you cannot express yourself the way you would like to. We do not have a very strick dress code like them and dress how we want to.
MC- Society could say that. It depends on who in society you're talking to. Not trying to be mean, but not everyone is happy about who is on the candidate list.
Conformity forces us to be something we are not. When you go to a private school and they make you wear uniforms it is to make you conform to their standards. It takes away our freedoms and makes us like everyone else.
We are allowed to be individuals in talent competitions. We show off who we really are and enjoy doing it.
I believe that conformity is not necessarily bad until you take it too far. For example, conforming to the law by driving on the right side of the rode, not drinking and driving, and not doing drugs are all things that I willingly conform to. But not all conformity is good. If the law gets to the point where people come into my sister's house and tell her how she has to raise her kids, then screw the law. She, nor I if I were in her position, would refuse to conform to a law like that.
During WWII in Nazi Germany when Hitler forced everyone to conform to his "Perfect Aryan Race" of blue eyed, blond haired, mentally/physically undefective people, thousands and thousands of people had to die to please him.
That's taking conformity way to flippin' far!
It's also described in "V for Vendetta" where the main character, V, attacks and takes down the conformist government for what they did to him and many other people for just being non-conformists.
I agree. But in some ways conforming to what everyone else expects frees you from the pressure that you endure from going against the tide. To avoid conforming you have to give up some freedom to achieve higher levels. Uniforms conform your looks. but they don't control your thoughts.
You should't have to conform to fit in. You should just be yourself and do your best. Like in the book One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, the nurse is kind of forming them to how she wants them to be. Though some of them know what she's doing they act like it anyway so that they don't stick out and be noticed. As for the King and Queen candidates for our school we chose who we thought would best represent us.
Classes in school dont offer much room to be original. They hold restrictions and boundery lines. If u are locked in shacles and chains it it hard to be very original.
You can never be like nobody else, because you are always like somebody else. If you say you are like nobody else because you are a sister, a daughter,and an athlete. There are other people with the same titles out there.
blog by justin Gabbert
i was force to conform during soccer tryouts because i was a goalie but i wasn't really in a goalie mood but i didn't have a joice everyone wanted me to be a goalie soo i went into the net soo in the end i did what society wanted
This comment is a test typed by Old Man C.
The characters are "like no other" becuase they are different and therefore they are shunned. They are put in the insane assylum because they don't fit in in the real world. They are forced to be stuck together because they can't conform and function in society.
In some forms conformity is a good thing. Without people conforming to some of the norms and rules of our society our world be a mess. One example would be that if people didn't conform to driving on the right side of the road we would have people driving every which way and it would be unsafe and there would be alot more accidents. In other ways conformity is a bad thing because you have people who want to stand out a little bit, but a looked down upon because they look different from everybody else. When really they should be applauded for standing up for what they believe in.
blog by justin gabbert
any form of art really is where you're free spirited. whether its music or drawing or sculpting you must be creative to be successfull if you only drew what certain people like then it would be down to just that one person
Blog by Danny Sellers-
The ten Homecoming candidates are the way that they want to be, but I don't think we should be like that because then we would all be the same. Society doesn't expcect us to be like them because no one is the same, and they know that. It's true we aren't like them, but not one person is the same so we should we all be shunned?
well most people are probably already like the homecoming candidates because we all have cliques and if we're different we'll be shunned from certain ones and accepted by others, so in some way you'll be conforming and other ways you'll be different, so no society doesnt really think we should be like them because we've really already decided if we're gonna be like them or not, what i'm getting at is everyone has their own opinions and that is what causes us to conform or be different...
a) i think that we have been forced to conform in school. we are programed to be in class when a bell rings and to leave class when another rings. our schedule tells us where we should be at a certain time and we really can't do anything else. we are punished with things like saturday school points when we do something for ourselves. we can have an independent thought, but we still have to conform to what the school thinks we should do.
Most nonconformist are faced with the diffculty of being shunned for not being the same
blog by justin gabbert
our motto is ironic because everyone is like someone in fact some people even look alike why is it that we must be like everyone else the reason is because we were raised to act like others
Melissa Bendixen
In competition cheer we have to conform. We need to be as flexible as the next person to be "good" at what we do. Usually if your not as good as someone else you end up in the back rows when doing jumps or the dance. Also in our routine we all have to be together and synchronized to make the routine right. But I guess it's not all bad because if we didn't do like we were supposed to and didn't work as hard as we do then we would never win and nobody likes to lose.
I agree with Todd, popularity plays a HUGE roll in who is nominated for King & Queen, I dont belive its so much comformity there, just because they Win that doesnt automatically mean everyone should and has to be like them.
Brandon Olson - conformity basically takes away your individualty but without it people consider you wierd but that shouldnt matter because deep down we all are wierd in some way.
Kory Scholten
conforming to what people want is kinda human nature isnt it? who wants to be all alone? we conform to what people want so we can be respected by others so that they will be friends with us it's not something that everyone does but a lot do because they want to be respected and have the socail aspect of life we want to talk to people so we conform to what society wants and the king and queen thing is who we think as a senior class represent what our class is and stands for so yes we might conform to what they are but we also want to make them our representative of our grade
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I don't think people should act like the ten homecoming candidates. Society has to learn to accept people for what they are, but sadly, that probably will never happen. It's up to the individual to act as themselves and if they take a beating for it, they need to suck it up cause thats something to expect, whether it's emotionally or physically. Also, acting totally as yourself is the ONLY way to find your true friends. How are you supposed to really get along with someone you can't be 100 percent yourself around? The only reason our dress code would be more strict is because everyone thinks they need to dress like the people they want to hang out with. Pity for those fools.
I think the homecoming is fine the way it is. Most people realize that its all in fun and dont get upset if they dont win.
Nate Lynn
I dont think that our dress code is strict becuase there is no standards but if people are afraid to be who they want it be like ogorman
i agree with korys idea that conformity it human nature, everybody does it no matter if they try to or not. We should not try to be like the canidates, if we tried we would be 10 different people, all the canidates are different.
Ashley Mork
the whole homecoming royalty thing, to me, is a popularity contest. its fun to have, yeah, but honestly whats the point? everyone votes then yay! two people win. . and get what??.. nothing!
and about the whole dressing how we are "supposed to". . thats dumb. dress how you want to not how everyone else wants you to! be yourself.
The Homecoming canidates are people that are popular through the school. Mostly it is because you are more known through the school than others. Me personally when I was picking through names I just picked people that stuck out in my head and people who are role models to me. I don't think people should be like the people that are Kings and Queens but to be themselves and maybe become someone else's role model.
People normally conform to others ideas because it is safer to and you don't strain yourself too much by doings so. Although I have noticed most people don't mind it if you don't conform they might ask you about it at first but then leave you alone. I know that in the celebrity world things like conformity is worse but I, personally have not noticed it.
CJ Wachter
The homecoming canidates are definatley not what we should all be like. It's mostly about popularity... Everyone is different even the ten canidates are different. Just because they may be popular doesnt mean they are a model of how everyone needs to be like.
Why are they popular, then, CJ? Because they are what we should be...?
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First: Nice Disney reference Autumn.
Second: I don't think that the canidates are what we aim to be. I think that everyone had "who's hottest" on their minds and voted for them. I don't think that if you aren't like the canidates you will be shunned. I have seen so many different "cliches" hang out together and accept each other for how they are. People don't necessarily shun people because they're different from themselves. Look for what you have in common and share those instead looking at what's different between you. I think it's somewhat pathetic to comform to a certain group because you're afraid of being alone. Be yourself and find friends who accept that. You turn into a tool if you just try to fit in with what everyone wants you to be.
I believe that in most situations people are forced to conform. It is much easier to control conformity then it is to deal with nonconformists. School is a prime example of conformity. We students (and teachers in some cases) are told what we can and cannot wear. We are told what we can say and what speeches we can and cannot listen to. I understand why in a classroom environment we aren't allowed to do certain things but I think some things are ridiculous. It does seem that the 10 homecoming candidates are peopling we strive to act like, but have you noticed these individuals are still individuals. Different people voted for different people because of peculiar things we like about them. So you really couldn't say its CONFORMITY, when all 10 are different.
bottom line, don't conform to trends. It's good for you.
CJ Wachter
No Mr. C they are popular because they are good at sports, band, or other activites.. Im sure there are some people who would like to be like them and be popular but for me i think you should just be who you are. Also there are some people who dont want to be popular and choose to be the way they are.
What kind of "trends," Jake?
Chelsea Mattson 7
We are forced to conform at jobs, school, and sports. At school we all have a dress code, no uniforms thank godness, but we can't wear things that show off too much skin. we are all put into the same classes and tought the same way. we are conformed to work with people around you, make small talk to people your not so much friends with just to pass the time. in sports we are conformed to all work as one machine. a team, we are all working for the same thing weather it be kicking the ball at the back of the other team's net for soccer, or competing against ourselves and being judged in every way for a cheer competition. I agree with missy that we are are extemely conformed in cheer, when we being our hands in at the end of practice we even sometimes say "Get like me". which means perform to your highest potential, just like the girl next to you. in jobs we are all taught to take some ones order the same way, to say "bye have a nice day" or "thanks, come again" the same way. we are expected to dress somewhat similar at jobs, and all get payed on the same day.
Specific examples of trends?
Charlie Sellers, 7
I don't think that everyone should be just like the homecoming candidates. Just because they were nominated it doesn't mean that they are all perfect. Nobody is perfect and you should just be yourself and not how society says you should be. Of course that would be absolutely ridiculous if you would get shunned for not being like them.
O'Gorman's dress code is obviously stricter than ours because they can't choose what they want to wear. It's almost like taking away freedom.
A.) Football is definitely something that i was forced to conform with because i was always lazy and i didn't want to do it, and if i would just decide to be lazy during practice then i would somehow get punished for not hustling or something like that. The only reason i have stayed in football all of these years is becuse i know that it's good for me, and being lazy is the worst habbit. I think conformity is good in different ways and some are bad. "Independent thought" is always possible.
B.) At my church camp, i am allowed to step out of my comfort zone and really lets my act out in ways i wouldn't at school. Here at school, i am very shy i thing because of all the conformity. At camp, i am almost the opposite and i just won't stop talking.
fashion, attitude, everything. Just don't do it. It's pathetic when people will change what they wear, listen to, or even the way they talk when their around certain people.
Wright_7
I believe that the candidates are the most adept at camouflaging themselves and who they REALLY are around others. Similar to a chameleon, if you will. Perhaps they are shrouding their true personalities around everyone else's. Perhaps not; perhaps they are merely being themselves; it would be difficult to decipher. When one finds themself around a certain clique or group, they tend to say certain things and/or do certain things that might possibly fit the liking of that particular group. The candidates give that certain clique or group what they want to hear. Sound familiar, like a politician? Hmmmmm..... I agree with the majority answer in which one needs to find themself if possible and not follow but lead.
Well done, Jay. Mature/aware that you can admit what you typed.
Charlie--don't we take away freedom here, not on the surface like O'Gorman, but in our behavior toward one who wears _________ (something different, odd, old)?
I dont think we should all be like our ten homecoming canidates. Yes, they may be the smartest, most athletic kids in the class of 2010, but there's so many more kids that arent up for homecoming court that are just as smart or athletic, and maybe they're not "popular". but why would they conform to be just like these homecoming canidates just to get the title of the homecoming king or queen. Its all just a popularity contest, and just because they're up there doesnt mean we should be like them, or that they're a good romodel.
I would say the homecoming canidates are chosen due to their "popularity" and its true many people would like to be like or simular to them. But if everyone tried to do the same thing it would'nt be considered cool and we would have no diversity in our class.
anonymous = Ethan Graff
Wright_7
Can someone fill me in on the O'Gorman dress code? Does every student that attends there have to wear a uniform? I am not familiar with the standards at O'Gorman...
Reanna Mennis
I feel I haven't been forced to conform in any way. I go along with what I feel is right for me. If people shun me because of my past then I guess it's their loss. I am my own person! I really can relate to chief in the fact that I am really quiet and resrved. I wasn't really given any special talents. I think homecoming candidates are good people, but you don't have to be popular to fit in. You can be smart,pretty,funny, and athletic and still have your own group of people.
I agree With CJ the candidates are popular because they are good at what they do. Reanna Mennis
Megan Bly- period 7
People are usually taught at a young age to conform. When people see others do something unusual, they are shocked. They laugh or make jokes and think that, that person is weird or different. I dont think that society necessarily shuns them, but they do think they are odd and different from everybody else.
An example of how we conform at our school is how we all walk down the hall on the same side when we are going one way, and the other when we walk the opposite. If someone walks on the other side of the hallway, the students call them names, get mad at them and even push and shove them out of the way.
I belive that our school gives all the students a lot of room to be themselves. We are allowed to dress how we want and express who we are.
My thoughts on conformity are pretty open because I agree with Amundson about when you do something "different" you basically just join a new group to conform with but also that there are set things in society that if you go against them, people think that you are "weird".
in cheerleading is all about conformity as missy and kat had said. Most practices we are told what too wear so we look like a "team." Before a competition we were similar clothes too school for example tomorrow we all have to wear a black shirt with no words on it and a nice pair of jeans we have no choice in that. At competitions when we get off the bus we all have to have our warm ups on. At the competition we are the same in everyway from the bow in our hair too the shoes we wear are identical. We can get docked points if we dont look uniform. Its nice at school not having to wear uniforms ilke OG does because we can show off our own unique personality through the clothes we wear. I agree with what alot of people are saying that we conform just too fit in and not be different to risk the chance of being made fun of. But who really said whats the "correct" way to dress? I think everyone should be able to dress the way they want and feel confortable doing it.
Like CJ said, its not who you are but what you do that defines you.
I don't believe anyone should change who they are or conform to be like anyone. Everyone has their own special qualites and that is what makes everyone unique in their own special way. Society influences people's choices and decisions. It trys to make them conform to what think everyone wants to be like. In reality just because someone is up for homecoming does not mean people want to be like them. People have the freedom to make choices in their lifes and should never be shunned or dicarded just because their choice may not be what society or others believe. Isn't that what America is all about? The land of the free. I believe everyone is "popular" in their own way, own group, own sport, own family, own band section, own hobby, and much more. When you look at it in that perspective one should not judge the homecoming canidates based on "popularity" alone. The canidates were merely just voted because some how they conected with others to maybe be "popular" at this time for this type of group. That does not mean they would be the "popular" and voted up for a different type of group.
"Like No Other"
I think this saying is ironic because not one person is like someone else. Our society compares us to others and groups us by what we eat, wear, say, believe, make for an income, drive, how we live, and so much more. We are told to be ourselves yet we truely can't because society influences our decisions in everything we do.
Yes there are consequences. It is sad that we when choose NOT to somewhat follow what society believes we are shunned by others. Everyone should be able to be who they are and stand up for what they believe. But in reality we would be considered the outsider and ridiculed by the majority.
I believe dresscode at our school is a statement. We are allowed to wear whatever we like. If we want to wear sweats we can or if we want to dress up we can. I see many different styles in our school all with individual meaning. OG students are forced to conform to what OG thinks is the best way to dress. I believe in the saying dress for success, but if you do well in sweats wear them, if you do well in a suit then wear it! Our scores show that BVHS has one of the highest acedemic scores in the state of SD so obviously the dresscode does not make their students any better. By making them conform has not made them more anything, in fact it's only made their appearance conform.
Austin Sumner
Being nominated isn't a big deal to me. Its not going to get me into college, make me a better person, or make me any money. I dont think its a big deal now as it was back in the day, but the tradition behind the event is probably the reason its still around. Sure its kind of cool but the only thing it has done for me so far is give some of my buddies another reason to give me crap. I dont know why there is drama about who was chosen. I dont think its that big of a deal and dont think anyone should change to be like one of the peole who where chosen. I thought we were suppose to be "like no other." haha
I don't believe that the homecoming candidates are the way in which we all should be. However, I do think that the candidates posses good qualities that other people could model off of. But should everyone look, act, talk, etc..like those people? absolutely not! that is where one must discover themselves..pinpoint their identity, who they are, and what makes them unique and just make the most of what you have! --- our dress code, I feel is stricter than one in which uniforms would be required. Students feel as though they must wear certain clothes simply to fit in and be accepted, but that will only affect the individual if they take into account others' opinions. however, if you are an individual (which tends to be frowned upon) then you really dont care what other people think, and you should be happier, but your not! because by being different, you don't conform to the accepted ways and for that there are consequences. --- 'get like me?' who on earth, in the right mind would want to get like me? or anyone else for that matter. such reasoning could result from envy. however, if everyone tried to look like eachother, who really is the role model? how do you get to that point? conformity? if so to what do you conform to, because if you are the individual everyone conforms to where do you fall?
I don't think that we all should be like the ten homecoming canidates because everyone should express their own individuality and let their own personality show. If everyone was the same then there would be no easy way to choose who should be king and queen. We all have our own individual faults but each one possess great qualities too. Just because we are not like them does not mean that we should shun them.
Wright_7
I agree with Santagia Lush's comment earlier on in the blog.
I guess, in a way, our dress code could be considered more strict than that of O'Gorman's. Our fellow peers are quick to judge us based on what we wear, what activities we are in, etc. We tend to cling to our labels. For example, if you wear something that you normally would not, other students will question you. "Why are you wearing that? It's just not like you...", or something of that caliber. Perhaps one might feel insecure wearing certain clothing, or not wearing their "labeled" type or style of clothing. Perhaps one desires to try a different style, but is afraid of the opinions of everyone else and how this will affect their "status" or "popularity". So, figuratively speaking, our dress code could in fact be stricter than that of O'Gorman's.
The motto, "Like No Other" contains irony and does not contain irony at the same time. Everyone in our class contributes to society in a certain, particular way of their choosing. Yet on the same note, our class does not stand out as much as it might seem. What does our class contain that other classes ten years ago, twenty years ago, etc. did not? Will future graduate classes be comparable to us, or do we already beat them, because we are, "Like No Other"? Our class has a football team, a choir, etc. So then, are we merely repeating what the other classes have done, over and over again? How does that make us exponentially better than all of the other classes? My opinion is that we are incredibly similar to many of the other graduate classes, perhaps even more similar than most of our peers realize.
It would seem to me that there are at least two sides to every argument/debate/discussion.
Right, Wright--that's why they're arguments/debates/discussions/controversies: because they generate thought. Well done.
Ash--don't people get shunned, in the Commons, at dances, in the hallway...?
Austin--I've noticed your buddies give you crap about much of "all this." Some buddies, eh? Being nominated looks good on a resume, right? And does "making you money" = happiness (maybe it does in capitalism)?
Kaila's correct: what we were is a statement. What we drive is, where we live is (if we have a choice). Got me/us thinking, don't you?
Stowater--what you do is who you are, isn't it?
i agree with chelsea and missy about the cheer things. We all have to look like one another. we even have to have the same makeup on! thats going to the extreme this year. I dont understand why we cant be ourselves even just a little bit with the way our hair and makeup is. I hate looking like everyone else. it doesnt make you stand out and be who YOU are. your just some girl in the back that no one notices. same with any sport. you feel like if you werent there no one would even notice because you dont stand out. Unless your the BEST player on the team.
some people dont like to conform and dress a little different. But when they do that people make fun of them for being themselves. I know i have before and now i realized thats very wrong. Im starting to look up to those people more for trying NOT to fit in and standing up for themselves. I just wish i could have read this book awhile ago and learn this before Senior year in high school. maybe ill start acting more like them and care less about my appearance and what people think. i wont see many of these people next year at college so who cares.
I think that everyone can be who they want to be. Why conform if you don't want to? It's kind of like running track or doing an activity that you don't want to do. Then you can't enjoy yourself. People even each other out and people are opposites. Just because you are not up for homecoming it doesn't mean your friends no longer like you or do not enjoy being around you because you are not royalty. I think everyone in our grade is somewhat close or connected in a way. We've all gone through a lot of things together. Some of us have been here 11 years, this being our last. Lately I haven't seen people discriminating anyone or putting people down. When you are freshman, that's when you should be aware of conformity because that is when you want to look cool and do things that normally you wouldn't do. But now that we are seniors I believe that we know that drinking or smoking weed does not make us any cooler or better than anyone else. Nobody really cares what brand your jeans are or how great your hair looks today, but if they judge you on that then maybe you shouldn't surround yourself with that person and stoop down or conform to their level. After this book maybe people's beliefs and ideas will change, maybe not.
A)There are many ways in which people have been forced to conform in society. Heck, if you even want to be ACCEPTED into modern socitey your basically have to conform or else. I have been forced to conform in that I have to go to school. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure if I had the choice to go to school or not that I would..but shouldn't each individual person be able to decide that for themselves after a certain age? Humans are basically bred to be born, go to school, graduate, go to college, and then be a contributing member of society--why not try and break away from that? I can think of a perfect example. On Freshman Unity Day Dr. Talcott showed everyone there a clip about a kid from California. Now I'm not sure what the circumstances of the kid were but a 16 year old boy just sailed around the world all by himself. If I remeber correctly he just wanted to do something nobody his age had ever done. He DIDN'T go to school and he DIDN'T listen to the people who probably told him it was impossible. Now thats nonconformity.
Laura has a point here in that we can chose what we want to do. The big thing is that are class has been threw so much together from are freshman year to now we have been well forced to grow up and not put each of other down as we did when we where freshman.
B)On t.v. and in the media, we teens hear it all the time..."Be and idividual, stand up for what's right, do what you need to do to make a difference!" We are encouraged constantly. A lot of the time we are encouraged to come together as one and...plant trees or feed the homeless. This however, is the kind of encouragment and conformity I like. Anyway, I was encouraged to do something that every shy person can relate to. Many of the seniors spoke to the freshman and other seniors at unity day. Some volunteered, others Talcott volunteered..Talcott volunteered me. Speaking in speech scared the crap out of me! and the thought of speaking in front of 300-ish people made me want to just leave and go home. But Talcott just kept encouraging me saying everything would be okay. I was scared but I did it.
The motto "like to other" is ironic to the novel because all of the pateints in the hospital have probably been considered to be different or like no other at one point in their lives and the Big Nurse is trying to conform them to be "like everyone else" and blend into society.
I have been encouraged to be a free-spirted individual by family, friends, teachers, and the media. My family encourages and guides to use my talents to the fullest and be a good person. My friends encourage me by getting me out of my comfort zone and to help me not care what other people think and just be myself. The media is always telling kids to take action and do what you can with your talents to help less fortunate
others and the environment. And teachers are always trying to get the best out of their students and help shape them into well mannered, intelligent people.
I think that we at Brandon have a stricter dress code than o'gorman in a sense that our peers judge us day to day and with that pressure on our shoulders we try and dress the best we can and conform with everyone to be accepted. Take the homecoming court in any school they all have many things in common. What I mean by that is they all have tons of friends they didn't get up there if they hadn't, generally they do very well in school and activites and are just plain accepted by society. Yes they will have an extra page in the yearbook but I don't think society will shun the rest of us due to these facts.
wright_7
Lexy and Amanda strike reasonable arguments. I agree with them.
Ashley Mork
In life we are being criticized, picked at, and analyzed every second of the day. Walking down the halls at school, walking through the mall, or just walking down the street people are looking at you and in there heads are saying something about what you are wearing,how you look, or how you act. When i walk down the halls i know in my head im thinking oh i like her shirt or oh her dress is cute and even what is she wearing?! To me we think like that because we have been given a preconcieved notion about what we think is right and wrong. We know that being ourselves is important but when someone else doesnt dress how we want them to dress we start judging them and criticizing them.
C)Our motto this year "Like No Other" is ironic in that if we're ALL like no other..then isn't everyone like eachother? This motto is trying to make us stand out but it's also making the senior calss as a whole, the same. It's connected to Cukoo's nest in that the Combine and Nurse Ratched represent conformity..and if we are all like no other, then we are conforming to be like no other as well--does that make sense? The men in this story I feel are just misunderstood. They can't act normal...becuase if they do the staff immediately thinks there is something wrong with them..like in the book it mentions if any of the patients so much as laugh, the nurses and staff have thier notebooks and such out jotting things down.
No one should feel they have to be like the 10 homecoming candidates. They were simply the people who were chosen..they aren't any more important than anyone else...I don't mean that rudely but it's true. If we all tried to be like them, then we'd be abandoning who we are-but for what? To be more popular, and accepted? I feel that everyone can be accepted by another person, and I feel that no one should ever have to live life alone..without people who care about them. I feel society expects us to be at least well rounded people..but there is no way that will happen to absolutely everybody. Nobody should ever shun people becuase they are "different" in a certain person's eyes..because that person might be just the person to be around in someone else's eyes..and if you ruin that "different" person's self esteem by shunning them..who knows what that person will do to deal with it?
I actually do believe our dress code is stricter than O'Gorman's. They all have to conform, and dress a certain way so that they all look the same...so no one takes a second glance at them. At Brandon however, everyone is judging you. Our dress code is "strict" in that everybody has a different opinion on what is acceptable to wear, so you are constantly being judged by other people's opinions.
No one should feel they have to be like the 10 homecoming candidates. They were simply the people who were chosen..they aren't any more important than anyone else...I don't mean that rudely but it's true. If we all tried to be like them, then we'd be abandoning who we are-but for what? To be more popular, and accepted? I feel that everyone can be accepted by another person, and I feel that no one should ever have to live life alone..without people who care about them. I feel society expects us to be at least well rounded people..but there is no way that will happen to absolutely everybody. Nobody should ever shun people becuase they are "different" in a certain person's eyes..because that person might be just the person to be around in someone else's eyes..and if you ruin that "different" person's self esteem by shunning them..who knows what that person will do to deal with it?
I actually do believe our dress code is stricter than O'Gorman's. They all have to conform, and dress a certain way so that they all look the same...so no one takes a second glance at them. At Brandon however, everyone is judging you. Our dress code is "strict" in that everybody has a different opinion on what is acceptable to wear, so you are constantly being judged by other people's opinions.
A. We are forced to conform everyday in one way or another. For example, everyday at school we have to follow our schedules and follow the rules. Many of us do certatin things because our friends do and when we break apart from the norm, we can be shunned by classmates. Most people don't even realize that they are confoming more and more each day. I do belive that independent thought is possible, but cannot be done at all times. In the novel, the patients are forced to conform with everything they do. They can't wear, eat or even do what they want most of the time.
B. I have been encouraged to be myself and express my feelings through music. I write songs, play guitar and sing. I take voice lessons and she encourages me to be myself and write whatever I want. Also we are encouraged by the school to be the best that we can be. Our teachers want to see us succeed. My parents are also a big part encouraging individual ideas. I am glad that no one in the world is exactly the same. Everyone should embrace their own talents, beliefs, etc. If everyone was the same, wouldn't the world be boring?
Our school motto this year, "Like No Other," is very ironic. This year we have a new addition and things are very different. No year will ever be the same. The people will never be the same, the issues, the drama, etc. This quote is how the men are. Not as a whole, but individually. They are different people with different thoughts just like everyone else in society. The only thing different is that they are in a mental hospital. But in the hospital, they are encouraged to conform by Miss Ratched. This is not helping the men, just harming them. They are not in a good enviornment to actually "get better." The hospital is trying to make them the way everyone "should" be.
It is ridiculous for someone to think that they should be like the ten Homecoming candidates. Everyone is different, including the ten. It does not mean that they are better people, it just means they are the most thought of by their peers. We should not be shunned if we are not like them either.
Our dress code is not stricter than O'Gormans. We have the choice to wear pretty much whatever we want as long as it's appropriate. They have to wear the same uniforms everyday. We have more opportunity to have self-expression through our clothing.
Mr.C--Some people are shunned at dances, in the hallways, and in the commons but that does not mean that it is right. No one should be shunned but it is a fact that a few people will be.
I agree with Maassen about the dress code because our dress code is not stricter then O'Gormans and we do have the choice of what we want to wear. Our school allows us to show our personality and individuality through our clothing. O'Gormans school does not let the students personalities show through, they all have to wear the same uniform.
Emily Gardner-7
Conformity could be a good thing or a not so good thing. I have to conform to laws that we have to have so that everyone can enjoy many freedoms. I think school is a type of conformity to a certain extent. Students are being taught about things the teachers are told to cover. There are certain classes you must take. Yet there are still classes were we are able to put our own thoughts into something. This blog would be something were I able to put our own thoughts into. I can’t think of any time I have been absolutely conformed or controlled where I totally brainwashed and did things I probably would not have.
I believe that the homecoming candidates are mostly a popularity contest. Just because they were picked doesn’t me we have to be like them. All 10 are different in different ways just like everyone else is different. Changing to be like them would be like abandoning ourselves just to “fit in”.
Emily Gardner-7
Alex said that our dress code is stricter that O’Gorman, and I agree. I do think we get judged more about what we wear because we don’t wear uniforms. We don’t look like everyone so it’s easier to judge.
i believe what janssen and everyone else that agreed with him are right you shouldnt have to change your self to be something special.
Reading this thread, I'm extremely encouraged. We're going to have a great school year because of your critical thinking abilities and perspectives.
The term "like no other" indecates that we should be ourselves and be unique in our own way, but yet we all want to be like someone else so it should really be "like the other"...
I agree with Alyx Corcoran. The students at Brandon judge you so harshly about things that other students wear. If someone is wearing something unusual, people are talking about it all day and you can hear it in the halls or at lunch. I do think it is a good thing that we can express our styles here, unlike at O'gorman, but sometimes I think they might have it easier because they know that they can just put their uniform on and no one will judge them on it. The students are O'gorman are almost forced to have to get to know a person before they can actually have an opinion about them.
A- I think all people eventually conform in some sort of way, whether it's in school, at home, their job, sports, just about anywhere. If someone doesn't conform to the standards they're usually punished or 'shunned'. I'd like to say I try not to conform but I know that's not true. Even though you may think you're trying to resist conforming, you're actually conforming to the group that refuses to conform.
B- My family and teachers have been there to encourage me to do my best in life with the gifts I've been given.
i do not think we should all conform to how the homecoming candidates are. they are their own people and so are we. they didn't choose to be up there people chose them.
i don't think our dress code is stricter than o'gorman's by any means. they wear uniforms and we have the opportunity to pick what we wear and show individuality.
b) we've been encouraged to be an individuals since we were all young. most of our parents put us on sports teams, dance classes, and music lessons. this was their way of teaching us what our strengths and weaknesses were.
"like no other" is ironic because the men in the story are not like other men. big nurse's goal is to get these men to be like other men and conform them to what she thinks is normal.
I don't believe we should all be like the candidates. Nobody should be like somebody else. If someone is like someone else, I believe it just a coincidence if they are being themselves. When I voted for the candidates, I voted for people who I honestly believe deserves to be nominated. Some may have voted for people who are 'popular'.
Because some people are not like the candidates, it doesn't mean they shuld be shunned what so ever. People are only being themselves and some of those people just have the attractive personalities everyone likes!
A) We are forced to conform whenever we are at school. The bell, teachers, and our schedule control where and what we must do all day. Most people conform to what their friends are doing, too. If you were to do anything out of the norm, you would get shunned. We don't want to get shunned, so we conform. I think we all conform in some way, whether we want to or not. Independent thought is sometimes possible, but it doesn't occur much while we're at school.
B)We are all encouraged to be an individual in society in some way. My parents encourage me to be an individual. I choose to be in cross country, track, and marching band. There are other people that are in those things, but none of them run or march just like I do. Music also allows me to be an individual. Making up solos on the spot in jazz band is definitely being an individual.
Our motto, "Like No Other" is ironic because each of us is like each other. We all go to Brandon Valley, we are all forced to go to class, etc. We conform to each other, which means we are like each other. Like no other is what we want to be, but for the majority of us that is impossible at this point in our lives. "Like No Other" is connected to the story because all of the men are attempting to stop the conforming-ways of Nurse Ratched. They are trying to become like no other by breaking Nurse Ratched's strict schedule. It is the main problem the men face in the book, they are different and most of them can't do anything about it.
Our motto, 'Like No Other,' is ironic to me because most people in our school seem to be striving to fit in, in any way possible.
The men in 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' are considered "different" in society but in the ward they all face the same problems that include dealing with Nurse Ratched and her conformist ways. They all must conform to the standards of the ward or suffer the concequences.
A)In society we are forced to conform. We must have a drivers license to drive on roads, to get from point A to point B, because they have to make sure we know their rules and practices of driving, so we can conform to them. Think about if a person drove the wrong way on a one way street just to be a "nonconformist", that person would get a substatial ticket and prob not be allowed to drive till he argees to "conform" to laws and rules. But without conformity the world would be caos. Independent thought should be used when practical.
B)I think at school in classes you are told when to be free thinking and when to just go by the book. Like during worksheets you should just look the answer up in the book and find the "right" answer, but on projects you are encouraged to think outside the box. This is when you are encouraged to be free thinking.
The motto "like no other" is ironic because in this book everyone in the hospital is "like no other" and they are hidden from society. They are sent away and "fixed". I dont know about you guys but I want to be like others before us and graduate high school.
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