W.11-12.10 Write routinely over shorter time frames for a range of tasks, purposes, and audiences.
Friday, December 21, 2012
Thoughts TUESDAY--due February 12
W.11-12.10 Write routinely over shorter time frames for a range of tasks, purposes, and audiences.
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Rogen5
Three things that remained particularly fascinating to me this week were: one, Pi’s reminiscence of his childhood living with animals; two, the conversation he shared with his teacher at the zoo; three, how Pi set his boundaries in faith. I parallel with Pi in terms of protecting the ways in which animals are treated ethically. When he explained how comfortable animals remain in their “captive” territory, I could not have agreed enough. The way his zoo creatures were protective of their domains is the same way my herd is protective to invaders. With the presence of a coyote in the pasture, I have seen my cows circle up like the wagon trains of the Wild West. Their circle would enclose the calves to protect them, and a few cows would then gang up on and chase the coyote off the pasture. Truly a feat indeed. I also adored Pi’s statement on page 17 when he discussed how the zoo was like a home in that the recourses were simply brought closer together like a typical home. Pi takes the scrutiny of animal rights activists and is able to explain to the public how his creatures are comfortable and happy. Pi’s encounter with his biology teacher, Mr. Kumar, remained in my head as I tried to sleep the night after I read it. This encounter with the scientist makes the reader see from a perspective of a moldable mind that is tested by a man with scientific reason and superiority. Luckily, Pi moves past this and becomes even more religious. I extremely enjoyed the final two paragraphs of chapter seven on page 28. These two paragraphs explain how Pi approves of atheists and disapproves of agnostics. He states that “atheists are my brothers and sisters of a different faith, and every word they speak speaks of faith. Like me, they go as far as the legs of reason will carry them—and then they leap.” Following this he says, “To choose doubt as a philosophy of life is akin to choosing immobility as a means of transportation.” I see parts myself in this character, and cannot wait to read more of his thoughts.
Coyle 2
This week we discussed a great many things. One thing that particularly stuck out to me was the discussion about the hilarity of the three wise men accosting Pi and his parents. While in class we joked about the absurdity of their arguments and how they turned on one another to insult the other religions, I noticed something that I hadn’t thought of before. Having three wise men approaching a boy and his parents reminded me of the story of Jesus and how the three wiremen traveled to see the baby. I believe that this scene and the deliberateness of calling them wise men was a way of likening Pi to Christ, making him seem more important or at the least more likeable. Pi also likens himself to a saint when he mentions all of the Biblical saints that had changed their names, justifying his decision to change his name from Piscine to Pi. Another thing we discussed was the fact that Pi’s mother contemplated buying Indian cigarettes before they left even though no one in her family smoked. Her husband played it off by saying they had tobacco in Canada too, but he missed the fact that his wife merely wanted to hold on to as much of her home country as she could. Buying the cigarettes would be a way to keep her memories of India more alive. A third topic we discussed was the fact that Richard Parker may just be a representation of Pi himself. Pi was showing the author some pictures from his past. One of the pictures was said to be mainly of school boys. Pi points out Richard Parker, but the reader doesn’t know if there is actually a tiger in the photo. For all we know the thing pointed out as Richard Parker could very well be Pi as a boy.
Story 2,
Three thoughts that thrash about in my mind during the novel of Life of Pi (italicized Life of Pi) include: religion, behaviors, and scars. Religion varies across the globe, and in the novel, religion differs in one person. A boy named Pi who does not just absorb the religion he is born into, but also learns in depth other outlooks to his own. He proves to be the adult and true believer when the three leaders argue, and constantly put pressure upon Pi to choose a specific religion. However, Pi is wise. Pi assures the leaders that he wants to love and worship God, not a religion. In doing so, this shows a person’s own relationship with the Lord (or whatever they believe) consumes all importance, have a strong relationship one on one rather than having a title of what you are, and not who you are with God. Behaviors run high in this book, especially among animals. The fact how we all have a Zebra, Tiger, Orangutan, and a human inside of us sparks amazement. There could easily be more animals that are inside of us, but Martel just shows us a mere couple, and the rest is our jobs as readers to figure out what other animals make us who we are. In class, I loved the relation to a mom turning into a fierce tiger, by her kid being harassed or abused in front of her . . . that would be one woman to not mess with! When we go to the zoo, I feel a good idea may be to take notes on how a specific animal can be inside of us, just like how a tiger would be inside the mom. Lastly, I feel the scars that are created to ensure survival contain immeasurable importance. Yes, true it is, scars may be painful whether they are emotional or physical, but would a lesson not come from such? Everyone has scars, that most likely impact that they are today. In the book, Pi watches a tiger kill and eat a goat at such a young age. This creates a smoldering scar into his eyes, to be absorbed in his brain. Later, and little would anyone know, this scar saves his life. He never gets too close to the tiger, and remembers just how dangerous they are, and how cunning they think. The scar from his father, indeed saves his life, as we all can relate to a scar changing us to be safer in such a deadly world.
Marso 1
As the semester has progressed, I have found our discussions within forums to be increasingly beneficial. I am truly grateful for the insights that my classmates provide as hours upon hours of study would be necessary for me to gain all the ideas relating to symbols, foreshadowing, motifs, etc. that are so easily bounced around during quizzes. The most fascinating topic of discussion throughout the past week was the portion of the book pertaining to religion. The scene where the three respective leaders of their religions meet Pi and his parents is particularly comical. Throughout the scene, the three characters almost treat Pi as property, a valuable asset. Towards the conclusion of the scene (after the leaders have argued considerably on which is the correct belief system), the leaders agree that a person cannot believe in Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism, and so he must choose. After Pi averts the question of which he will hereafter follow, the leaders all walk away with “stiff, grudging smiles” (89). I believe that this quote indicates the lack of concern the leaders now show for Pi as he has been shown to be a fraud in their eyes. Because he is no longer following their beliefs exclusively, he has lost most of his value to them. In life, we must be extremely careful when handling this kind of selfishness. A quote we hang in our basketball locker room that I love is “How you treat somebody that can neither fight back nor help you is a true sign of character.” This is something the religious leaders briefly overlook in their heated dispute. My second favorite topic of discussion was the reflection on Pi’s description of the animals in the zoo. In many ways, Pi is really telling us that we are the animals in the zoo, comfortable. We refuse heavy change with extreme enthusiasm and can be stimulated to be overprotective and to become “super-human” when the situation presents itself. Finally, I enjoyed, but was also challenged by chapter 22, the short paragraph on atheists and agnostics (64). Before reading and reflecting with the class, I simply categorized both in a nearly identical fashion. However, I gained more respect and understanding for atheists than agnostics. Living in the United States, we have the luxury to think and believe freely. Whatever belief one may have, even an extreme disbelief of something requires more courage than pure doubt. Too many people work and die every day for a citizen to simply not have a stance on a fundamental value—whether that is religion, politics, or any other affair. A life filled with doubt that remains uninvestigated surely hampers productivity for personal and societal benefit. As my three favorite sections in the first part of the book indicate, the novel is easily accomplishing its role as fiction to challenge the reader.
Koehn pd. 7
1) As a zoo attendee prior to reading Life of Pi, I belonged to the bandwagon that zoos were a terrible environment for wild animals to live in. Even though I enjoyed admiring the foreign animals up close, guilt and remorse filled my mind as the defenseless animals took the brunt of the entertainment needs of greedy human beings. However, Pi revealed to me that life in a zoo is not all that different from the African savannah or arctic tundra. Pi’s knowledge of territorial behaviors and comfort needs make sense. Pi remarks that a zoo enclosure is just a smaller scale of the territory the animal would occupy in the wild. In fact, the zoo enclosure provides less stress concern of safety, food, and water. Stories of animals returning to their enclosures after breakouts and peaceful carnivores in civilization prove that the animals enjoy the confines of their cages. I imagine growing up in a zoo to be a wonderful life!
2) Briefly discussed in class was the unforgettable goat sacrifice scene. Pi and Ravi were brought over to the tiger pen one Sunday morning by their father. Their father was determined to show the boys that the zoo animals were dangerous. Pi’s father ordered the tiger, Mahisha, not to be fed for three days. The zoo helper, Babu, put the goat in the tigers pen and Pi and Ravi were forced to watch the tiger devour the helpless goat. I was captivated by this scene because of the suspense built up before Mahisha attacked the goat. As the reader, I knew what was coming and could then focus on how Pi and Ravi reacted. Even though this will be my second time reading the novel, the first time I read the novel I recognized this part to be foreshadowing moment and a theme so to speak. In this moment, Pi engrained the respect for the tiger and the knowledge of its ferocity in his head. He would later use this information to survive with Richard Parker on the lifeboat.
3) Religion was the most elaborated subject discussed in class. I find religion to be relevant in all aspects of life. Whether one admits it or not, religion (or beliefs if not religious) determine how people live and respond to events in their lives. I find it unique that Pi believes in Islam, Christianity, and Hinduism. I was discouraged however that Pi’s parents did not support him in his decisions. No matter what I decide, my parents have always pledged to stand behind me; and I believe they always will. I think the discouragement comes from my own belief that everyone deserves the right to believe what they wish. I hold my own set of beliefs, and I would not appreciate someone trying to tell me I could not believe in them. Who are we to determine/judge the fate of others when we are merely humans? I think it is perfectly fine for Pi to believe in all three religions at once. At least he searches for salvation and faith with sincerity.
Van Ede, 5
Barely making the cut amongst strong competition, number three on my list exists as our discussion over Mr. Martel overdoing his description and explanation of Hinduism. I, amid the clueless party outside of Hinduism, possessed no inch of understanding in his description of the religion. I too debated the length and content especially when research only opened up a new portal through which a tsunami of information—on varying levels of accuracy—rushed. This in mind, I began to appreciate Mr. Martel's version, still reasonably incomprehensible, but brief. Several individuals also brought up points that justified Mr. Martel's efforts, a natural Hindu likely thought of this as captivating and the description of Christianity as incoherent madness.
The end of number three marks the beginning of number two: an outside view of Christianity. To think that a number of individuals such as Pi, at first glance, view Christianity as a bloody religion based on human sacrifice is a mixture of enlightenment, humor, and sadness. This also reminded me of my lack of knowledge of Hinduism and doubt of it being a worthy religion. A follower of any belief must remember not only the ignorance of others but also the ignorance of him or herself.
Number one of my top three favorite discussion topics was our talk about doubt. Amidst the discussion, doubt seemed to be greatly under attack. This bothered me. I like doubt; I use it constantly, and have done so for years. Mainly, I use it in academics, searching for flaws in my work or in my message. I doubt I ever get them all, but I do my best. In my experience, doubt pushes me much further than any amount of confidence. I often use doubt to lower my expectations to where the outcome does not actually matter anymore and all I can do is my best. Doubt takes away the pressure, and makes any outcome rewarding. I do not mean to say doubting oneself as to stop trying, but to liberate oneself from expectations. Ironically, this point is also supported in this week's reading of Life of Pi: "when the challenger has nothing left to lose, he becomes relaxed again, insouciant, daring" (134,135). Doubt possesses many variant definitions and can be applied in different ways. This is how I apply it.
Shroll 2
Three concepts discussed recently that struck me as particularly fascinating or relevant include: 1) Pi simply desiring to love God; 2) atheism is a religion of its own accord; and 3) if gender or sexuality makes a difference in receiving a response from our pseudo-famous letter recipients.
Amid the bickering and denigrating between Pi’s three religious leaders in the novel, Pi claims he wants to simply love God. This scene is directly relevant to my church life. As a Lutheran, my church is a member of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (ELCA). A couple of years ago, the ELCA allowed gay persons to become ordained pastors. Enraged, half of my congregation chose to leave the ELCA and start a new church. My family remains as members of the ELCA. As Pi says, religion is about love. God sent down his son to die for our sins out of love. There are no clauses stating that God will not love a gay person… he loves every individual immensely. And who are we but to follow our God’s example and love unconditionally?
Atheism is another topic discussed in last week’s forum. Atheism is a religion of its own, as atheists believe there is no God. However, the definition of religion (according to thesaurus.com) is belief in divinity. Is it possible to have a religion that is not religious?
Haley Kunkel received two autographed pictures—both of which are from gay bridal consultants. Today we posed the question is sexuality a contributing factor of the likelihood of obtaining a response? I believe it very well may be, as homosexuals are more often than not shunned and ridiculed by society for courageously being nothing other than themselves. When someone proclaims love or adoration for members of this society, I believe they ebulliently welcome and enjoy recognition and love for who they are.
Tripp 7
While many topics were discussed on different occasions during class, I found these three in particular that stuck out: Pi merely wanting to love God, how Pi’s parents do not really care about Pi’s religion choices, and how the zoo may or may not be a better place for the animals to be. When I was reading the novel, I found it hard to follow at times during the sections talking too much about the different religions. Pi has no religion to follow due to the fact that his parents do not follow one either. Therefore, Pi decides to learn about three different religions and begins to practice them all. I did not put much thought into how it could be possible to follow three separate religions when all along Pi just wants to love God. Even though the religions differ in many ways, the primary goal for Pi is to have a God to learn about and love. This leads into my next point of how his parents do not seem to care that Pi wants to follow three different religions. Pi’s father only seems to care when Pi asks about the prayer rug because of the fact that he will have to spend money on it. At first, I thought that Pi’s father was upset that Pi wanted to follow these religions until we discussed how his father does not care for religion; he only cares about money and spending as little as possible on things that he does not see as worth it. Lastly, I was one of those people that could see how animals might be better off in a zoo but also see how they would want freedom as well. After our discussion in class, I started to see even more how the animals do not always dislike being in an enclosure. The story of the various animals whose cages were left open and when given the opportunity to escape, they denied it because they were afraid of the unknown. As the book said,” Animals that escape go from the known into the unknown – and if there is one thing an animal hates above all else, it is the unknown.”
Hallstrom 1
Although I wasn’t able to attend class on Friday for the forum, there are certain aspects of Life of Pi that have struck me as rather fascinating while studying the novel on my own. The first on my list was as I was reading chapter 4; I was agreeing one hundred percent when Pi began discussing the life of the animals. Pi was telling the readers about his fear of animals living in uncertainty with high fear, low food, and minimal shelter. On page 17, it talks about the statement we as humans tend to say a lot: “There’s no place like home.” I agree that animals can feel territorial and like the familiarity of one place just as humans do. This has come up in my mind lately as I’m enrolled in an animal care class, and I thought it was interesting that this novel helps me grasp those thoughts. Number two is the religion aspect of the novel. This is really our first novel that seems to go in depth with religion and I think religion is a large part of our nature. The idea of Pi having interest in three different religions is confusing but says one thing about him: all he wants is a God to know, love, and worship. I view religion as a meaning for life. Human nature demands that our lives have a purpose. We don’t like the idea of a pointless existence and as I see it, that’s Pi’s way of telling us just that. The third concept we discussed in class wasn’t anything too incredible, but caught my attention. I never thought to connect the three novels we’ve already read until it was mentioned in class. Lord of the Flies has a theme telling us that we all have some sort of beast inside of us while, although we can’t be sure, Life of Pi could also be portraying this same thing by leaving us wondering if the tiger is really just a monster dwelling in Pi. One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest is related to Life of Pi because they both portray reality. The scene in the beginning of Life of Pi when he’s in school thinking about is name seems to be somewhat real, and whether or not it happened, it easily could. Cuckoo’s Nest portrays reality by using Chief. His fog mechanism helps him cover the things he doesn’t want to see or believe. In our society, there seems to be aspects, such as makeup, nice cars, and big houses that help us cover our insecurities and what we don’t want to see.
Herrick 5
I find it hard to pick just three scenes. There is so much to choose from, making It hard. Although, my first choice would be the scene where Pi’s dad shows his two sons the life lesson about how dangerous wild animals can be. At first I found it truly gross. Who shows a child a gruesome death of an animal? I put myself in Pi’s shoes, I would most definitely not want to be in that situation. Then I looked at it from a different angle. His father wasn’t trying to scare him or be mean, he was trying to teach him a life lesson. He does not want his sons to be arrogant around these animals. Next, the three wise men was a funny part in the book. These men are trying to slander each others religion. Being Christian, I look at my Priest as an example. I could not imagine him being rude or disrespectful around another leader of a different religion. This makes me believe that these men do not accept other religions. I also feel like they would have been more professional in front of Pi and his father. If I ever come across this situation, I would tell these spiritual leaders to leave and I would find someone else who could handle my choices. Lastly, the question of “do animals belong in a zoo or not?” .To be honest, there is no right choice. I believe that an animal born in captivity should be raised in captivity as it is probably used to human interaction. Bringing in an animal from the wild would be cruel and inhumane. Animals that are used to the wild should be kept in the wild. I realize that animals will get used to living in a zoo, but they have that wild instinct. This would be like putting an American, who has never traveled in their life, and putting them in the middle of Asia and telling them to go and live a good life.
Larson Pd 5
Three exceptional concepts that we have discussed in class recently are 1.) Pi simply wants to love god 2.) One can turn into an animal 3.) A person has two different sides to them (Mr. Kumar and Mr. Kumar). Pi simply wanting to love god strikes me. During this time period, religion plays a huge role in an average person’s life. Religion has become so important wars have erupted over this situation. I find it very refreshing to see Pi love three religions. He truly looks at the positive sides of each religion instead of find the faults with the religion. I think if people today looked at religion like Pi did, our world would be a better place. Another amazing concept is that people can have animal-like qualities. Everybody has a tiger inside of them. I consider myself a very generous and kind person, but I know there is a tiger in me. At times, I get mad, jealous, agitated and annoyed—which resemble a tiger’s personality. Going along with this concept, the situation concerning Mr. Kumar and Mr. Kumar relates to this. In the book, Pi has an encounter with Mr. Kumar, a Muslim baker, and Mr. Kumar, an atheist biology teacher. When the two Kumars feed the animals at the zoo, readers can realize how both Kumars have different views and opinions. I think these two people with the same name symbolize show everyone can have two sides to them, both with different opinions and thoughts. Pi realizes that there are two sides—loving god and not loving god. These three concepts really stuck out to me and I am very glad we talked and discussed them in class. I have learned a great deal from these top three.
Myrlie 2
The forum quiz last week was a great opportunity to enhance my knowledge of Life of Pi. What I thought was unsymbolic background information turned out to have a much deeper meaning that I originally thought. The first topic discussed that I enjoyed was Pi relating a hotel to the zoo. This section of the book stayed with me because of the humor incorporated and the sheer realism involved. Living on a farm, I can relate to what it may be like to grow up in a zoo – on a smaller scale of course. When cleaning out our pens at the farm the animals are always getting in the way. Pi experiences the same situation with the zoo animals. At the zoo the animals are also very picky eaters. I find that aspect to relate to humans the most. At hotels, the residents are often provided with a free continental breakfast – which I think are unappetizing. The second point of discussion that I found intriguing was the inhuman treatment of the zoo animals. During Pi’s life growing up in a zoo he has encountered countless animals that have perished because of the stupidity of the visitors. I understand the urge to want to pet or feed the zoo animals, as I have experienced that myself. However, feeding the animals trash and apples with nails shocked me. Pi mentions the problem like it happens all the time and he is use to it. My favorite part of the first section of Life of Pi was the story of the mouse that lived with the vipers for a number of weeks. I interpreted that section with society and the acceptance of new ideas. For the most part society doesn’t like change, and they beat down new ideas like vipers. Occasionally there is an idea that will flourish and start to reproduce. However, if one viper takes a bite at the idea, the whole nest will follow.
K. Peterson 7
1. Growing up, I did not go to the zoo very often. My mom always told me what zookeepers did to the animals was horrendous. She said she could see in their eyes how they longed to be free and back home. So as I grew up, that is the impression I took upon the zoo. When I reading Life of Pi, Pi told me the truth about animal’s feelings toward living in a zoo. During class, many students and I expressed our epiphanies because of Pi’s wise words. I know will look at the zoo in a new viewpoint and I am excited to visit one again.
2.Religion is the next focal point that stuck out to me. This young boy has not been raised in a “religious house” and is just trying to find his way. I was raised Christian and now have a strong belief and haven’t been able to spread my wings. He was given the opportunity to search for his religion and because of that I believe he has stronger faith. The only problem is with religion you are only supposed to stick with one. He has some issues to sort through still. Overall, Pi tells all three of the religious men that he just wants to love God.
3.The last point that stuck out to me is how deliberately Yann Martel fits his book together. Whether it is having young pi observe a tiger feeding or talking about the flight distance of an animal. He learns and teaches us this information to help us understand his reasoning and actions on the life boat. Another is the number of chapters. The numbers and dates add up to 100 which is the same amount of chapters in this book. Pi has to do with math and so it would make sense to add some math into a book which would be categorized as English.
Overall, I enjoy forum quizzes much more than normal scan sheet quizzes. I learn way more than before. My classmates help open my horizon the new meanings of the book I may not of thought of before.
Rise pd 2
Safety, personality, and dedication—those three subjects really stood out to me. No, we did not directly talk about any of those things but if you delve a little deeper you will understand the links I made.
Research is nothing foreign to Yann Martel. He shows every reader his dedication to this project by asking us to read pages and pages of animal behavior and religion. My mom was looking for another book to read while I was reading One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest; so I offered Life of Pi to her. I found the beginning of the book to contain a lot of foreshadowing and intricate details/clues—slow but very important nonetheless. That is only because I have seen the movie and discussed the book in class. My mom on the other hand found it a hard read and only made it to page 46 before I had to take it back. (Ignoring her possible fatigue from work, worry, or other priorities she had reason to not finish the novel) My point being sometimes very multifaceted novels—though they may be very marvelous and involved—are tossed to the side as boring and slow, sadly. Sometimes in life and in fiction details mean more when you look back at the past, when you know the ending. (She still liked the book and wants to finish it once I am done—for the record.)
What is a personality? The way someone acts, talks, works, plans—their whole being, right? Well then why do people change when around different people or from different circumstances. A lot of personality is just about location. (Maybe.) The city, country, friends, fads, friends, and family; do we actually have a personality we are born with, can it crushed and manipulated permanently? Mr. and Mr. Kumar gave me those thoughts—not right away. From the novel, one could say both of Pi’s instructors are really the same person, just with different sides to them. A Psychology Professor could go on and on I am positive.
We are interested in everything we are not. Different is weird, or enticing. We have an entire business up and running just so we can observe, think, personify, and adore animals at. Zoos house our furry little friends. Up until now I had also believed the animals were unhappy in cages. Pi says that animals truly do like normalcy and routine. I’m torn. Part of me believes that but the other half still notices how sad, bored and pathetic the animals sometimes look at the zoo. In the story you told us today about the “butler…House...Pay raise”, etc. It was exactly what anyone would “want”, life all set up and perfect, safe. We know what you chose… My thoughts are partially because I know I would get bored with that life. What are you working towards when you have everything? What do people who win the lottery do with their life a year later when they have everything they want or could need? I’d go back to work.
Grapevine 7
Three concepts we discussed that really struck me were the scenes with the people harming the animals, the guinea pig scene, and the confrontation with the three religious leaders. First, when they talk about people harming animals, the scene ultimately shows to me that though the people think the animals are stupid, they are truly the stupid ones, thinking that they are superior to the creatures in cages. The guinea pig scene is meant to be a lighter scene, after all the dangerous lessons Pi's father has taught him. But to me for some reason, the guinea pig scene was very sad, and really struck me deep. Maybe it was the way they described the guinea pigs, as feeble and trembling, that struck my heart, and the fact that I have a guinea pig. But the scene shows that any animal can be dangerous, even a tiny guinea pig. That scene still makes me sad whenever I read it for some reason, and I'll probably always remember it. Thirdly, the religious confrontation. It was both a thoughtful and humorous passage, showing us how perhaps we should only try to love God, like Pi does. On the other hand, the confrontation is somewhat funny as the leaders yell at one another, but breaks down religion, targeting the weak points that many people want to overlook when discussing their religion. Like Shannon Coyle said, it is very similar to the three wise men approaching Jesus. These three scenes struck me in deep, thoughtful ways, and they make you wonder even more: Is Richard Parker a part of Pi?
Woodward 5
1. Pi’s name stuck me as a particularly interesting topic during one of our class discussions. Other than being a catchy nickname to substitute for Piscine, Pi holds significant symbolic relevance. The Greek letter “pi” represents an irrational constant that alone, does not make sense, but in the right context, such as the circumference of a circle, is a useful mathematical tool. Pi Patel confuses others due to his belief in multiple religions, but is wise in his ability to believe the legitimacy of more than one answer. When Pi’s personality is viewed in the right light, his belief in multiple religions becomes more a strength than a flaw.
2. The use of ice cream as a secular symbol also intrigued me. Santosh Patel, a capitalistic atheist, is referred to as “secular as ice cream”. When the three religious men coincidentally meet Pi at the same spot, Mr. Patel suggests getting ice cream to ease the tension. Although ice cream is a tasty treat that can improve any instance, I believe that Yann Martel meant for ice cream to be a more profound symbolic reference. For example, one of the items Pi’s mother does not want to leave behind is Arun ice cream. It could be that she wants to hold on to some secularism, as departing to a new country will require her to strengthen her faith. It could also be foreshadowing the family’s death; Pi’s mother is not yet ready to meet her god, so she wants to hold on to materialistic, secular items—such as ice cream.
3. Another important scene we discussed was that of Pi confronting his religious teachers. I believe that this is symbolic of the three wise men meeting Jesus in Bethlahem. Although Pi is not a baby like Jesus in the Nativity story, he is announcing to the world what he believes and that he will continue to believe it even in the face of persecution. Also like the three wise men, the three religious teachers do not know where they are headed, but they meet at an important time and place.
Larson 1
One of the concepts I found particularly interesting in the last few weeks was the discussion of archetypes. Though I realized stories had many similarities more often than not, I didn’t realize to what degree this phenomenon occurred. It was a bit of an “ah-ha” moment for me (in the words of my good friend Oprah) when I discovered that the familiar themes in mythology were repeated across the globe by peoples with no connection to one another. This means these archetypes are almost inherent characteristics in a society. I think people have a natural inclination to want to be saved/wooed/attacked by some kind of super human man. It brings much more relief to be saved by a man possessing extraordinary strength. It sets the heart aflutter to a much greater magnitude to be wooed by a man with a godly physique and jaw line. This sort of “hero complex” is not unique nor exclusive to a group of people, but rather true for people across the board. These examples are only the tip of the iceberg of course, and heavily influenced by my female perspective. There also exists a strong drive to be this hero. Of the other symbols so often repeated in stories, a few popped into my head immediately when the topic was broached in class. The Disney movie Hercules best illustrated an archetype for me. The helpless love interest is almost always present, with some type of conflict to mar the lovers bliss—in this case Hercules must choose between immortality and his true love. The mysterious or shady mentor figure (played by a bumbling centaur) came next. The final goal the hero strives for, which is fraught with peril and danger is a must. As this list of repeated symbols grew longer, I came upon my conclusion: even in stories not quite so obvious with their archetypes as Disney movies, these long standing motifs can be applied to create a more interesting and critical lens with which to view any work.
Rist 2
Three topics I found particularly fascinating this past week are: sexuality’s effect on letter responses, the fact that zoos may actually help animals, and the significance of the cigarettes. First, Haley Kunkel received a response from a homosexual man from the television show “Say Yes To the Dress”. Haley had chosen to write to him last semester and did not expect to get a response at all. She also wrote to another homosexual man from the Atlanta version of the television show from whom she got another response! I was appalled considering I have not gotten a response. I asked her what her secret was when writing the letter and she told me, “Just write to a gay bridal consultant!” Do gays really care more to write back? I believe they are frowned upon in society and if any person is going to appreciate them, they will take the time to write back. It is almost sad how society works. Another interesting topic we discussed was Pi’s perspective on zoos. Most people believe zoos are terrible habitats for animals. They need to grow up in the wild where they came from. But in the novel, Pi explains to us that the animals actually want to stay in the zoo. They feel safe there. The zoo is home for these animals; they get everything they want, including food, water, and shelter. Not being hunted, the animals can just relax. From my view, zoos benefit animals more than they hurt them. Lastly, we covered the cigarette significance in the novel. As they are leaving to board the ship, Pi’s mother suggests they buy a carton of cigarettes. Pi’s father is confused because he thinks you can get the same cigarettes in Canada, plus they do not smoke. I have sympathy for Pi’s mother because I understand where she is coming from. They will not be the same cigarettes in Canada. It is nice to have something to hold onto when going from place to place. She simply wanted the cigarettes as a remembrance of her homeland.
Cain, 2
We seem to address a wide variety of conversation topics during our class time. More recently I’ve heard comments about archetypes and canes while discussion about religion is a reoccurring topic. Pi Patel put it best by saying that he simply wants to love God. Practicing three religions, I think Pi would have a pretty good idea about what it means to love God. My relationship with God and my faith foundation is a part of my life that I hold near and dear to my heart with full knowledge that each person has their own style and beliefs. I marvel at how the three “wise men” as Pi calls them, are supposed to be representing one variation of the love of God or another and yet they argue about Pi’s claim to faith like little children do over a cookie. I’d like to tie that thought in with the brief comment made about canes this morning. I was to walk with a cane and rather than walking as a “pimp” I did so as a cripple. I used the cane for use instead of style I think my instructor said (or something similar). I wonder what other things like religion and canes that people use for style rather than the intended purpose. And finally, archetypes. It scares me that each character can be placed into their own category, granted some may overlap and serve multiple purposes, but each character, dare I say person, fits into a category. No one is unique. While reading One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest we talked a great deal about essentially conformity and in way in which the systems of society mass produce humans to fit the numerous but vaguely distinct niches of society. I keep going back to the idea that I’m the only me that will ever exist but that refreshing individuality is quickly concealed with the dark and ominious shadow of reality. That’s sort of cynical, I know.
Bender 7
Easily the most interesting thing to me over the last few weeks was our study of archetypes. I Find it incredibly interesting the degree to which so many characters, situations and symbols are the same throughout all stories. These generic cookie cut characters explain so much about us as humans. We want the same characters. We want the same symbols. We don’t want to work that hard deciphering a plotline and analyzing characters. If we don’t know the true character of someone half way through the story we become upset. The most interesting thing to me about this however is how often we complain about similarity. We only want surface change. We want to know exactly what we’re getting in to before the novel or film ever starts. The second most interesting thing that happened related to this class actually didn’t occur in class. During AP Biology Mr. Lovrien explained an evolutionary reason for archetypes. He talked about Carl Jung, a student of Freud’s, and the theory of a collective conscience. This theory explains why a large part of the human population is scared of spiders and snakes. As a species spiders and snakes do us no good and can only possibly cause us harm. So then do we as a collective species stereotype characters the moment we meet them? Do we already know if this location is good or bad? An even more troubling idea, are we meant to stereotype everyone we meet. Is this evolutionary programming something still useful to us? Is our survival chance increased by staying away from the scary kid in the trench coat or is this just a paranoid social phenomenon? The third and final thing I found incredibly interesting in class was our discussion on religion. Although I thought most people had incredibly similar beliefs to me I came to realize different. I still believe the majority of our class would classify themselves as Christian I would say a large portion of the beliefs I hold as incredibly important aren’t held by some or are viewed as advice instead of completely necessary. I absolutely hate discussing religion in a setting as such because I feel few productive things can be done or changed in such a large group with so many people with different ideals and morals. I also don’t really enjoy how worked up the topic gets me and how easily offended people can get on the topic. With all that being said I found the topic enlightening. I was not enlightened on religion as I could never see a forum quiz shaping something so vital in my life. I was enlightened on the religious views of some of my peers.
Callahan 7
This being my first time reading the book, I was nervous for the first forum quiz because I feared the religious aspects of the books may cause ill feelings between classmates expressing their opinions. However, I was pleasantly surprised after our forum. Instead of the awkward, heated arguments I had expected, our class found a way to express individual points of view on the touchy subject in a very non-confrontational way, bringing me to my favorite concept this week. I particularly enjoyed, as many of my classmates seem to have liked as well, the paragraph on agnostics and atheists in chapter 22, page 64. To me, the paragraph seemed to express the view that all atheists are just Christians in denial—waiting until their deathbed to accept God. The portion focusing on agnostics troubled me. I found it hard to understand how it is possible to believe in nothing. Thankfully, the forum helped me to understand. As Mason brought up in class, agnostics believe in something: by believing in nothing, they are still believing. After the forum, I spent a lot of time thinking about the quote "...and, to the very end, lack imagination and miss the better story". Because we know that Yann Martel is a Christian, I feel as though the paragraphs poking fun at Christianity for being too good to be true ("It isn't a circus with dead people jumping out of tombs all the time...") (67) in combination with the agnostic quote above point to the animal story being the true story. The entire first section of the book shows Pi's struggle between religion and science. Undoubtedly, Pi chooses religion. I believe that Yann Martel is making a point by saying that society goes with the more likely story, the scientifically proven one, over any option that seems to be a miracle. My second favorite part was the zoo date between Mr. and Mr. Kumar for this very reason. I feel as though Chapter 31 is a symbol of how Pi combines religion and science. Both Kumar's are Pi's role models. One expresses his devout faith in God, the other in his love of science. By bringing the two to Pi's sanctuary—the zoo—Martel is showing how Pi lets both equally into his life. Thirdly, I found the section on zoomorphism (84) to be wonderfully thought-provoking. This chapter talks of how animals have been occasionally observed to accept another animal in as its own kind, like how Pi has seen dogs become foster mothers for lion cubs. He later talks of his theory behind the phenomenon: the need for companionship. I believe this can also be applied to Pi. He is in desperate need of a relationship with God and so therefore he is accepting of all religions, going beyond the stereotypes/races of each and seeing them all as his own, as a means to befriend God. I was particularly moved by the quote "If there's only one nation in the sky, shouldn't all passports be valid for it?".
Clemenson 2
The three concepts I found interesting after reading the novel Life of Pi were one, Pi following three different religions; two, Pi’s comparisons of animals to humans; and three, the life in the zoo. Pi decides to join three different religions without his family or the religious leaders knowing. Eventually, the three religious leaders confront Pi about him following different religions. They argue with each other about which religion Pi should follow. We discussed during our forum quiz the reason why Yann Martel wanted the character Pi follow three different religions at once. I think Yann Martel wanted to show readers that just because they may believe one certain religion that does not for sure give them an advantage over other humans. I am fascinated by Pi’s constant comparisons of humans to animals because I never realized how similar animals could be to humans. Pi mentions that lions do not attack a person in their lion pit because they are blood thirsty or hungry. Instead the lion attacks because the person has invaded their territory. If someone invades your home and you did not know them, you would probably attack them too. He also gives an example of a mouse being able to live in a cage with vipers for weeks until one of the vipers bit it. I find it interesting that psychological strength can be more powerful than physical strength in animals and humans. I enjoyed reading Pi’s description about living in a zoo because I had originally believed that the lives of animals were awful in zoos. I now understand that conditions are better in zoos and animals feel comfortable in their habitats. The habitats give the animals enough room to grow and the animals are fully fed. Life of Pi gives readers a chance to view life in a different way.
Backer 1
Three concepts that we have discussed recently in class that I felt triggered great thought and relevance include: 1) the ambush of the three religious leaders; 2) how religion relates to a zoo; and 3) the wide variety of archetypes we place in books and films.
Humorous and thought-provoking, the scene questioning Pi’s three faiths definitely captured the attention of many reading the novel. The eye opening scene shows that despite the differences between the three religions, they all have something in common: their love for God. Martel uses the message to trace us back to our own lives. We find ourselves so caught up in rules and guidelines that we struggle in seeing the main focus. Even leaders who demonstrate profound knowledge on the subject can often lose sight of what is really important. The message can pertain to other concepts, but religion is often where people divide the most in their beliefs. We sometimes forget that others may not share the same belief as us. Martel tells us through Pi that there is no problem in accepting another’s belief. My favorite quote so far in the novel is when Pi explains his reasoning: “If there’s only one nation in the sky, shouldn’t all passports be valid for it?” (Pg. 74).
In the novel, Pi elaborates on the topic of whether zoos can be seen as ethical or not. I have to admit, like many others, that before reading I was not fond of the whole concept of zoos. I thought staring at an animal through glass or cage was inhumane! I was surprised to be swayed by Pi’s reasoning after reading part 1. Pi explains that life in a zoo can actually provide animals with a better life than what they would obtain in the wild. Animals would not have to deal with the dangers and misfortunes that lurk outside. People can say the same about religion. Just like a zoo, religion can often be looked down upon because the ones in it are not seen as “free”. Martel wipes away this misinterpretation by explaining that just because you are a part of something; it does not mean you are contained. As part of a religion, we will have our downfalls just like the rest of the world (or the wild) but we also are able to obtain something they may never even bother to seek: a more fulfilled life.
Over the past two days in class, our main focus has been archetypes. Common themes seem to be in everything we read and watch. From a young age, children are able to predict how a story will play out because they become accustomed to traditional storylines. The majority of fairytales have a girl as the damsel in distress and the guy as prince charming who comes to save the day. We use archetypes so much that it is difficult to pinpoint a story without one!
I mean Backer 2!^ whoops!
Miller 2
1)We recently discussed in class how each of us has a tiger inside of them. I was singled out in class; a situation which usually petrifies me; and told a story. This story was a flash forward to when I am thirty something and have a son on a soccer team. My teacher asked that if his coach was throwing him around and yelling at him for nothing would I become a tigress. I answered yes right away, but thought to myself about why I would tap into my inner tigress during that situation. Later, when replaying that class I found my answer; usually it is called a “mama bear” instinct, but for consistency’s sake we will call it my tigress. My child, who I love very much, is being bullied by a grown man for no reason other than encouraging his teammates. My teacher asked if I would become a tigress. I said yes, but there are reasons for that reaction that go so much deeper than a simple question can reach. What should have been asked is: What would I do? The answer to this is stand up for my child in anyway necessary, and become a "mama tigress".
2)Also discussed in class was whether the animal story was true. Some students chose to believe the animal story, while others find the human story more realistic. What I believe it comes down to is whether you are able to accept the fact that he being Richard Parker ate a man after seeing his mother beheaded by said man, or whether it is easier to handle him watching an orangutan and a hyena be killed by a tiger then later helping said tiger survive. Personally, I believe in both stories. I do not say this to be noncommittal but to show that they are the same story not different. Pi is a tiger; he defends himself and follows his id through most of the story. Pi’s mother is the orangutan; she is the nurturing mother. The sailor is a zebra; he is injured and stepped all over. Finally the chef is the hyena; he is self-centered, disgusting, and horrible.
3)Finally, we discussed religion in Life of Pi (italicized). I find it odd that Pi wanted to be all of these religions, but as he stated so well: “Bapu Gandhi said, ’All religions are true.’ I just want to love God”. I found it comical when the “three wise men” were fighting over him and tearing down each other. This section made me think of when the three wise men went to see Jesus. Pi also talks about how the saints changed their names just before he asserts that his name is Pi and not Piscine.
Poppenga 1
Three things that really intrigued me while reading this novel are Pi’s religious decisions, how zoos can be of value to animals, and the study of archetypes. Following three very different religions, Pi is trying to state that it is not what religion you belong to but how spiritually content you are with yourself is important. When Pi's parents and religious leaders criticize him for having multiple religions, they are being close minded and critical, which is exactly what his three religions are not about. Pi Patel simply wants to love God as stated on page 76 and I do not believe that following these three very different religions is a bad thing (although Christianity says you shall have no other God but me and Hinduism has an abundance of Gods).
Before reading this novel, I was one of those people who felt bad for animals being “trapped” inside cages; not being able to roam free in the wild. I never would have thought that zoos could be beneficial for the creatures living inside. Pi explains to the reader multiple techniques that zoo keepers use in order to satisfy an animal and make it feel at home; he also discusses how animals react in certain situations when put into a zoo such as the flight distance. The flight distance is the minimum distance at which an animal will tolerate a potential predator or enemy. Pi says that getting animals used to the presence of humans is the key to the smooth running of a zoo and may be accomplished by creating a good enclosure, providing food and water, and knowing each animal well. Piscine also explains to the reader territoriality. He says that animals are very defensive of their “area” and also respect the area belonging to other creatures. Lion tamers are a very good example of this; they enter the cage first which establishes their dominance before the lions are brought before the crowd. Pi also discusses why omega animals tend to be the most obedient, loyal, and faithful to their masters, having the most gain from a strong relationship with an alpha creature.
The last topic that blew my mind was the use of archetypes. Going through the packet that our instructor gave to us, it said that every story has the hero, the struggle, a journey of some sort, a loner, and multiple other things. As I was reading, so many stories/books/movies came into mind and I was appalled that as stories progressed from mythology, the same archetypes remain in today’s entertainment.
Johnke Pd.5
Although we talked about many topics in our last forum three subjects stood out to me more than others: Religion, Sacrifice, and the meaning of Pi's name in the novel. Religion is a clear topic of discussion in this novel. I think it is safe to say that Yann Martel was brought up in a fairly religious environment to have acquired such a deep understanding of the religions he has Pi follow. As I read the beginning chapters of Life of Pi I found myself wondering more about other religions of the world than I had ever previously done before. So often as humans, we are too quick to judge others as soon as we hear what religion they follow. In America the primary religion is Christianity and often others, such as Muslims are judged quickly. In most of our minds all Muslims are of Middle-Eastern descent and are violent. This stereotype stems from the wars we are currently involved in across the world. However, Martel has a character that defies all stereotypes. By having him follow the three biggest world religions, Martel has found a way to connect the reader to Pi, whether the reader is American, Chinese, or an Afghan. This ingenious connection also shows us that Pi is willing to learn and is an accepting being.
Sacrifice is another major topic that was talked about. Pi's father could have easily shown Pi, the tiger eating a simple steak but instead shows the horrific scene of the goat being ripped limb from limb. Sacrifice is a major theme in the novel and is scene throughout such as Pi losing his parents or the numerous hardships Pi must put up with.
Finally Pi's name is a topic of discussion. Martel could have choose any name for the main character, but instead chose the number that has baffled mathematicians for decades. Pi (the number) has no order, sequence, or patterns. It is unpredictable. Just like the number so is Pi Patel. He baffles his parents and others by following multiple religions and his other ways of life. Also, Pi is half the circumference of a circle. I think a reason Martel chose this name was to subtle show the reader that Pi only knew half of himself and that he still must find his other “half” – Richard Parker.
Waldera, 5
1. The big discussion and debate on whether zoos are good for animals or not is a riveting one that could keep you occupied for hours simply pondering the topic. Since animals cannot speak or get their opinion across clearly on the matter it is left up humans to decide. To be completely honest the thought of whether they are good or bad never really came across my mind before. Whenever I would think about zoos, I would just think about how cool they were; they contain animals from across the globe! However, the discussion first came up over the summer during the ACT scholar camp at Augie. I began to think, initially, after the argument that they are bad for animals. As I read the book Life of Pi my thought process did a complete 180. Pi’s description of zoos having simply the essentials in a confined area (food, water, and mates) and then comparing that to a house made me change my opinion and outlook on the matter.
2. Pi’s name is something else that struck me as interesting. In fact, the mathematical concept of pi is actually quite fascinating when you really give yourself time to think about it. This random, boundless number that is infinitely complicated can be used to find the circumference and area of a circle. That’s incredible! Whoever uncovered this mystery must have been a genius of his/her time!
3. During the last forum after the discussion of a particular topic, I found myself in deep thought later that day. It was the topic of Pi following three religions. However, it was much more than merely that. Since I have already read the book over the summer during the scholar camp I had already played around with the idea of following three religions and other obvious problems with the concept. During the forum, however, someone brought up the fact that Pi looks at the similarity between the three religions rather than the differences. Astounding! The thought of looking at similarities rather than differences could be used for so much more than following religions (although it is tough to debate that something is more important than religion!). If countries around the world adapted this ideal thought process the world would be exponentially better! Someone could go into the details for pages and pages! I know I am simply grazing the surface but it is far too vast a subject to go into for a blog task!
Andersen
Period 2
Three things that struck me about this past week and our discussions in class were 1) Pi’s want to love God, 2) Zoo captivity, and 3) how atheism is a religion in itself. 1) Pi demonstrates that loving it does not matter what religion you are or how many religions you practice. Although they all have different rules, the main objective is to love God. And regardless of your beliefs and practices (in loving God) he loves you back. This is particularly relevant with the recent splitting of our church. The people who stayed and the people who left have various beliefs and some no longer talk due to their disagreements. However, I disagree with both of them. God loves you regardless as you should Him. There are many ways to interpret the bible, it all depends on the view point of the reader, and therefore, I think Pi did a wonderful job of showing that all he wants to do is love God and he can do this however he would like. 2) I personally have always felt guilty about captivating wild animals to use for my entertainment. I had gone to the zoo many times as a child and I always saw the animals laying around, being unsocial, and looking sad. Keeping them locked up has always seemed harsh. But after reading Pi’s perspective on zoos, I think I understand now that they might not be so bad. In fact, they might be good. They give animals a place to live, they never are short on food, and they do not have to compete with other animals for land. 3) Atheism is a religion within itself. I find this fairly amusing because it is something that I have never thought of. I have always seen religion as believing in God, but religion can simply mean a belief in something. And therefore, atheism is a religion. They may not believe in God, but they still have their own beliefs of how things came to be about.
Steffen 5
1)For as long as I can remember, going to the zoo was something my family and I had always participated in. When I was little, those creatures fascinated me and I remember wondering just how they got those animals through the gate! As I grew up I still reveled at the magnificent animals, but knowing this wasn’t their natural habitat bothered me. Maybe I imagined it, but I would look into their eyes and see sadness and suffering. That got me thinking one day that if I somehow “accidentally” opened their gate, I could save them from their misery. It took until now to realize that even if I had opened that gate, they wouldn’t have left; the zoo is their home now. Pi expresses on page 18, “…so long as it fulfills the animal’s needs, a territory, natural or constructed, simply is, without judgment, a given….” I look forward to visiting the zoo again and viewing it in my new perspective.
2)Pi’s encounter with Mr. Kumar and Mr. Kumar intrigued me. It is never specified as to which Kumar feeds the zebra which way. Leaving it up to the reader (as the whole book pretty much is) to decide. I interpreted the Muslim baker fed the zebra the whole carrot, giving it the power to do with it what it wants. I believe that ties in with his religion and how he leaves it open ended. The atheist biology teacher, however, broke the carrot into pieces; much like science is broken down.
3) The last and probably most important concept we discussed in class was archetypes. While creating something creative, we still regress to what we know. The same characters, symbols, and themes are everywhere in films, art, novels, plays, music, etc. By drawing on these we are allowed to know characters or situations in a work with little to no explanation. Without archetypes, authors would have to explain every detail about every single minor character!
I look forward to discovering more of the meanings behind the said and unsaid in this novel. So far it has exceeded my expectations.
Lippert 7
We have discussed many things over these past few weeks but one thing that has constantly been popping back into my mind was our discussion of an animal’s happiness in a zoo. Pi strongly believes an animal is just as happy—if not more—in a zoo as it would be in the wild. I had always been one of the individuals who believed an animal belonged out in the wild, but after our last forum, I’m not so sure. Pi so aptly defends his position that he may have even changed my mind (not an easy feat, I assure you) about zoos. An animal has everything handed to them in a zoo that they have to work for in the wild, they have their own defined territory and all their dietary needs are met. They even have a vet waiting for them to get sick so the vet can fix up good as new. A Freudian would say an animal has achieved its narcissistic bliss living in a zoo, and guess what! I would have to agree with that Freudian too. Another point of interest from class is Pi being a super-worshipper and his parents being as secular as they come. We mulled over this interesting conundrum, children are influenced by their parents, right? So, if his parents are almost anti-religious how is he so in touch with his religious side? We mulled over the possibility of Pi rebelling against his parents, if they aren’t religious maybe he is to defy them. Then a wild accusation was made, maybe Pi is actually atheist. If he subscribes to three religions he is not really focusing fully on good. Maybe he is not sure what to believe and this has caused him to turn to three religions in the hopes of finding answers. The last subject I wish to touch upon is the subject of our streaks. We were assigned to our streaks today admits questions and uncertainties and I now I wasn’t absolutely thrilled about them. I mean, WHAT THE HECK. I am not one who is very willing to leave the fate of my grade in someone else’s hands. I am a tiger and I work better alone. I am not very concerned for the fate of my grade since it is in very capable hands, but I am not one to just sit back and watch from the sidelines as someone else does my fighting for me. But, it seems I have no choice but to sit back and watch. And rest assured I will be watching. Sparks will be flying and hair will be pulled, not literally, and I hope to be entreated to a good show. Who knows what could happen? Maybe I’ll bring some popcorn to make the show just a little more enjoyable.
Hensley 5
Out of all the vast amount of topics one could choose to pick, I have decided to use my three topics to tackle the issues of religion. My first issue that I find fascinating is whether or not we should believe. Within Mr. Mantel’s novel, we find Pi who has embraced three different religions. Pi even has adoration for his science teachers and his atheist’s tendencies. Yet when we read the story some more, Pi criticizes agnostics, those who do not know whether or not to believe in a god or not. I believe that this is Mr. Mantel’s clever way of telling his audience that it does not matter whether or not you believe in a god or not, as long as you believe in something. Leading in my second topic of discussion, the question arises if we are to believe which religion do we believe in? In Mr. Mantel’s novel we read an interesting scene where three religious leaders of different religions fight over which religion is the better religion. It isn’t till a child, Pi, makes the simple but powerful statement that he just wants to love god better. Pi then goes on to state that there are more similarities between the religions then there are not. This shows that in all reality, every religion can be seen as just a different interpretation of the same story and that we are all worshiping the same god. So this leads us to my final topic and question, is there a god? Ever since the creation of mankind, we have believed in some creation story where a supreme being created the earth and the heavens and then placed the original man and woman on earth to populate it. As humans we crave the thought that there is a life after death and that we are not some random happenstance that occurred due to random events. We adore the thought that we were created for a reason, simply because we desire meaning in life, a purpose if you will for our existence. I believe that just because it didn’t happen that way doesn’t mean that it’s not true. It is better to believe in a god so that we may give our life meaning rather than deny the existence of one and go about living our life thinking that we have no meaning and once we are dead we are gone forever.
Arrowsmith 5
One discussion that particularly stuck to me was which story to believe, Pi’s animal story or the story with his mom, sailor, and the cook? One likes to believe the animal story because thinking of an orangutan being decapitated is much more pleasant than the thought of your own mother being decapitated. Also the description of the zebra being eaten alive from the inside out by the hyena is not quite as acceptable when the sailor and cook are put in their places. These vicious acts force you to tell yourself that the animal story is the true story, though some things cannot be simple coincidences such as Orange Juice having two sons. I then wonder if maybe both stories could be true and coincide with each other such as Pi’s faith in three religions. I also found it interesting that everything that happened to Pi in his life up to the point of the shipwreck prepared him for this event, affirming the everything happens for a reason belief. Without Pi’s never-ending knowledge of animals and animal behavior, he certainly would not have survived on the life boat (that is if you believe the animal story). Santosh’s lesson with the goat teaches Pi the danger of animals, and most importantly Pi’s strong faith in three religions gives him the strength and will to carry on. Forum’s have especially helped me grow as a student and person. Listening to my classmate’s views and thoughts truly make me realize how lucky I am to attend the same school as them. Religion was heavily discussed during the last forum and made me realize I know absolutely nothing and am ashamedly narrow-minded about any other religion other than Christianity. When I think of Hinduism I think of people who do not eat cows, and when I think of Muslims I think of turban wearers that like to blow things up and despise all infidels. Martel’s in depth description of each religion put me to shame of my zero understanding of them and helped me come to the realization that they are not far from Christianity and have many of the same morals and messages.
Hanzel 7
Three subjects that we have discussed over the last week that struck me as particularly fascinating include: Pi’s religious influences, the tiger on the boat, and conditions at the zoo.
Learning about Pi’s religious selections significantly reflects his background. Because his parents did not follow a religion, he took control of his religious beliefs and found a religion of his own. In his search for a religion, he found three that were fitting for him. I do not see anything wrong with Pi’s choice to follow three religions. I do also believe the three religious guides allude to the three wise men. Through the religions of Islam, Christianity, and Hinduism, Pi does what is most important of any religion-love, trust, and believe in a god or gods.
From the beginning of the novel, I assumed Pi was on a boat with an actual tiger. I had not considered humans being represented by animals. After lots of thought and consideration about this topic, I am not sure where I stand- it adds much more perplexity to this novel.
Reading the section about animal life in the zoo reminded me of going to the zoo when I was a child and feeling sorry for all the animals trapped in their confined cages. All the unfortunate animals were going to live in the zoo for their entire life. They would not know about a different life in the wilderness. Life of Pi gave me a new outlook on the zoo life- many of these animals do not know another lifestyle and therefore do not have anything to compare the zoo to. In their natural habitats, the animals have to fight for food, water, and shelter- it can be a daily struggle just to survive. The zoo may actually benefit the animals- food, water, shelter, and safety are all provided.
Volk 5
Sometimes for a person to truly understand how vast the world really is and how much there is to learn, they have to open up their mind and realize the true vastness of the mind. The number one thing that struck me as fascinating was how easy it was for Pi Patel to open his mind up to new worlds. As a Christian myself, it is sometimes hard for me to believe, understand, and take other religions seriously. Pi Patel does this like a pro. He takes his interest and acquired knowledge of three different religions—Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism—and somehow blends them together to believe and study all three. He finds ways to connect them and believe what each one says individually. I find this incredible and it shows me that to truly understand the vastness of the world, I must open my mind up to new ideas and beliefs. I do not necessarily have to believe them myself, but I must accept them for what they are and who believes in them. The second thing I found interesting was how Pi was influence by people at different spectrums of belief. Mr. Kumar, the teacher was an agnostic who looked at logic and reason. The other Mr. Kumar was a Muslim and a firm believer in his religion. Pi was forever influenced by both men and this affected his outlook on life. As I look at my own life, my most influential people are the ones closest to me and the ones who have the same beliefs as I do. It amazes me how Pi, even as a fictional character, can be so accepting of different viewpoints and let them have such a profound impact on him. It is a lesson that I think all people should learn from, including myself. The third thing that struck me was the amount of things that I never knew existed. It seems small, but on every page I read about something that I was blind to in the past. One example was the amount of animals in the zoo. Most of the animals I had never heard about. It really puts in prospective how isolated we are and how ignorant we can sometimes be to the rest of our world.
Breitzman 1
1. The first topic I have found to be intriguing is our recent discussion about Pi's various religions. I am a person who finds the history behind religious practices to be very interesting, so Pi practicing Christianity, Hinduism, and Islam piques my interest. I find it particularly fascinating that one person can practice three religions and devote the same amount of love and dedication to both. I also like Pi's statement that religion should be simply about love. I agree with him and often find it sickening when people use religion to further their hatred and prejudices toward certain groups of people. I personally believe that EVERYONE (black, white, male, female, gay, straight, etc.) should be treated equally and with respect; therefore, it perturbs me when people use the Bible or other religious works to advertise their feelings on these "situations." Pi seems like the type of person a religious follower should be: open-minded, loving, tolerant, and devoted to their god(s).
2. A second topic I have enjoyed discussing is the idea that everyone has the capability of turning into a "tiger." We have discussed how the character of Richard Parker may not have really existed in the novel; instead, he could have been a metaphor for Pi's own inner demons. I find this interesting. I do believe that everyone, no matter how kind, does possess some sort of ability to turn into a tiger when threatened or provoked. I think we all have that fire inside, a fire that only starts burning when we are placed into threatening situations. The internal inferno rages and sometimes causes us to do things we would otherwise never dream of doing. It is a primal instinct inside all of us, and it can cause us to behave viciously like tigers.
3. A third item I have liked debating coincides with the previous one. I am torn as to whether I believe Pi's animal story or the human one in its place. In the human story, he is stranded on the lifeboat with his mother, a cannibalistic cook, and an injured sailor (with Pi taking the place of the tiger). It is graphic; in it, Pi's mother is beheaded by the cook and the rest die as well. In the animal version, however, there is an orangutan, zebra, hyena, and of course Richard Parker the tiger. The hyena represents the cook and kills everything else as well. I struggle with choosing which story to believe. I feel as though the animal story is far less traumatizing, but the human one seems more realistic. I think Yann Martel put in two versions on purpose: to challenge our own belief system and whether we choose to buy in to the more positive story or believe the negative, scarring one. I look forward to reading more of Life of Pi and gaining more information to select which ending of the novel I believe.
Albertson 5
Just seconds before the bell ended our last forum, someone attempted to bring the significance of Pi’s orange house cat to the attention of the class. Like this person I saw that the cat was much more than a neat reference to Richard Parker. Pi most likely adopted the orange cat to remember Richard Parker and to take care of an animal like he did in his childhood, but symbolically the cat is huge. That the cat is small and calm suggests that Pi has mostly tamed Richard Parker within himself, but some of RP is still there because Pi hoards food. Pi’s daughter, Usha, holds the cat, and this could mean the cat protects his daughter and would surely become a full grown tiger again if Pi’s daughter were ever threatened, or it could mean that even his four year old daughter possesses a small tiger within her. According to the lesson Pi’s father taught his sons on the day he fed the goat to the tiger, everyone possess a ferocious animal inside of them. The second most appealing discussion topic to me was about the Kumars. Clearly an archetypal Yin and Yang, the Kumars have entirely opposite beliefs, but they are almost identical at the same time—symbolized by them sharing a name. The biology teacher is described to be shaped like two triangles. At first I thought this was to emphasize his plain, clear-cut beliefs. Now I think that the triangles are an archetype of the trinity, which is oddly religious and contrasts with the unremarkable appearance of the baker, which could represent the plainness of atheists. The Kumars have very different perspectives, but they both admire the zebra. Pi respects both men, because they are the Yin and Yang inside of him. The biologist is the reason Pi studied zoology and the baker is the reason Pi studied religion. Kumar the biologist ties to my third discussion topic. When he visits the zoo he is looking to be “scientifically refreshed”—like a spiritual revival for an atheist. At this point many of us realized that atheism is like a faith of its own: it provides explanations, provokes curiosity, and greatly influences one’s interpretation of the world. I had never considered this, but now it is the only way that I can see atheism.
Guthmiller 2
1.) A certain brilliant, wacky AP Bio teacher brought up the term “Collective Unconsciousness” to our class when he heard that we were discussing archetypes. This teacher explained that collective unconsciousness is the predisposed collective nature that all humans have. His example was one a bonfire. “Who here doesn’t like bonfires?” he asked the class. One cunning, attractive classmate responded, “Burn victims”. He agreed after a laugh but went on to expound that everyone, except burn victims, likes bonfires because of the collective unconsciousness. An evolutionary lens would point to the early days in our human race when we relied on fire to cook food. That trait, learned though centuries of fires used for cooking, is still with all of us today – claims the bio teacher – because of the collective unconsciousness. This discussion was especially interesting because it combined two subjects more closely into one. To have a science teacher know what is going on in an English class and be able to articulate a different, yet equally intelligent, viewpoint on the topic is exceptional. That is collective teaching.
2.) Archetypes are useful for fully understanding literature. Knowing the characters and what archetypes they fall under gives the reader more information about them without the author actually having to go out of his way to explain it. The author can just say, “His hood drawn above his face while he walked slowly, with a calculated gait, which had us terrified of his dark confidence.” The reader instantly knows the character is a villain and can expect malicious qualities to ensue. This common understanding we acquire after years of listening to stories helps us sort and distinguish characters. If we can consciously group characters and events into archetypes, we will become much better readers and writers.
3.) Recently with the discussion of archetypes the past two days I have began thinking about the general lack of diversity in literature – you could say films also. They all contain a certain slew of recycled characters types that are meant to show us common, also recycled, themes of love, redemption, and et cetera. These themes show up the most because it is what humans most desperately want to believe in. Everyone wants to believe in love. Everyone wants to know that redemption is available to them. Stories that combine these themes with charming characters have done well in the past, and will always do well in the future. Although I know stories will essentially have the same characters and the same themes, I will still read them so I can believe.
Gallo 2
The List:
1)Our Tigers
2)Religious Similarities
3)Agnostics
1)Wild, free, dangerous: these words describe both wild tigers and the thoughts running through my mind as we discussed the fact that each one of us has a bit of Richard Parker inside of us. Just as Pi’s animalistic side is manifested in Richard Parker (depending on which story you choose), so our primal instincts are occasionally brought to the foreground, dominating our normally active superegos. I thought of times when I have let my tiger out, when I have become quick to anger, slow to reason. However, just as Richard Parker (in the animal story) is an essential contributor to Pi’s survival, so I believe Martel is noting that the tiger in each of us must be allowed to come out and play in certain situations. In special circumstances—such as Black Friday shopping and pizza buy-ins—it becomes necessary to allow your inner beast to show.
2)This book showcases a rather novel approach to religion. (Pun intended) Particularly noteworthy is Pi’s focus on loving God as opposed to saturating himself in the liquid of theological debate and close-mindedness. As a Christian, we are sometimes taught that our way is the only straight and narrow path worth following; however, the similarities between the world’s religions are noteworthy and far outweigh the trifling controversies. While I am likely to stick to my own faith due to the ways I can articulate His immediate influence on my life through it, I am left with an increasingly open and tolerating mindset towards others’ faiths.
3)Pi criticizes agnostics in this novel, saying in essence that humans should actively consider and articulate a set of beliefs. I would like to offer a different perspective. In my eyes, agnostics have the most faith. Romans 1:18-20 points out that the existence of a deity is clearly evident in the vastness and splendor of his creation. God has made his presence clear to us; believing in him, therefore, does not require any remarkable amount of faith. What does require considerable belief is the lack of existence of such a deity. When one adequately considers the thinking power of the human mind, the size of stars, and the existence of music and does not place any credit with a deity, they possess true faith—faith not in a deity, but the stronger faith required to not credit God with anything. Agnostics are most often very thoughtful people who ponder religion and life often. To ponder so and not recognize God considers a remarkable faith in science, the infallibility of humans, etc.
Forster 2
(In order of fondness, from greatest to least)
1. Agnostics
2. Internal Tigers
3. Multiple Religions
Though I was wary of the upcoming discussions and analysis of the novel Life of Pi because of my viewing of the film prior to studying the book, I have thoroughly enjoyed diving in. The past week of discussion and literary expansion has brought up concepts and ideas I have loved discussing with my parents and classmates. Among my favorite concepts that have been discussed thus far is the idea of Pi’s three religions being combined and his parents’ reaction to this discovery. While in the market, the three religious leaders meet and begin arguing in front of Pi and his parents. I found this scene a bit amusing as well as eye-opening. I positively loved Pi’s response to the, as I can imagine, awkward situation. “I just want to love God.” Though Pi’s parents are not particularly faith-based themselves, I was pleased that they do not try to deter him from his own discoveries and religious journeys. The second concept I have become most fond of is the idea that each individual has a “tiger” inside them. This is a fascinating thought as well as an incredibly true one, in my eyes. Stating this fact does not make defining these tigers any easier, unfortunately. After class yesterday, I found my mind wandering down a path involving my tiger as well as others’. How do we deal with these tigers? And, if they are real, why do we try to hide them and behave as if they are not present? This is a great idea to look into, and I hope we continue to dissect it as the novel and study of the novel progresses. My favorite concept we discussed comes from this quote: “To choose doubt as a philosophy of life is akin to choosing immobility as a means of transportation. “ Pi’s commentary on agnostics could not be truer, in my opinion. I respect those who have firm beliefs, regardless of the view itself, more than those who float about from opinion to opinion. Bandwagon-ers, if you will, are not people with confidence or dependence.
Johnson 7
Over the last few days, we have been studying archetypes. While correlating the various archetypes to Life of Pi, I realized how many stories are comprised of these general archetypes. This topic is relevant due to everything ever read will have some type of common symbol that has been repeated throughout literature. What intrigues me the most is how the archetypes originated. My logic is all of these must have derived from some type of truth. Since our Middle-Eastern/European beginnings stories have contributed to the entertainment of any culture. The classic hero of an underdog, such as David and Goliath, is something heard periodically in everyday life and we cheer for those people and commend them for their feat(s). That is why authors will use an underdog type character. We are already inscribed to think that the underdog is one who has no chance, but finds a way to persevere. Even when watching the NCAA Tournament (Men's or Women's), I find myself hoping to see the lower seed triumph over the highly touted Duke, Syracuse, Ohio State, Michigan, and so on. That is genetic and probably societal too. (Also the archetype of the cave representing the ambiguous reminded me of the epic 20:34 song "2112" by Rush where in the third movement, the narrator finds the guitar in the cave and again finds himself in the cave during the fifth movement where he meets an oracle [yet another archetype]).
Another concept I was introduced to was touched on in our class period's forum. The constant question of what's the real story. Now Mr. Martel does a fantastic job of keeping the "animal vs. human" story balanced. Even the first time I read the book, I was certain all of the animals and Pi were literally on the boat. Now that I read through it again, I find much more evidence that the human story is in fact the real one and the animal story is a cover-up to appease Pi conscientiously. In the beginning Pi constantly claims how much he misses Richard Parker. Going off of the human story theory, I would say Richard Parker is the id and Pi misses his id. WE ALL DO AT SOME POINT. Think about it, pushing aside all of the societal standards set forth for us, wouldn't it be great to have our inner id come out and always have sex, consume 5,000+ calories, and kill anybody who is even a remote threat to us? Of course you say no, but that's because you're not stranded on a boat in the ocean. And even in the beginning of part two, Pi is calling out to Richard Parker. In reality he's talking to himself and trying to work with his id to survive. Also I believe he uses it to cover up his initial cannibalistic strife.
One final point is how shocked I am that the tiger cane did not come up as a phallic symbol. You do not see women with canes, but men used to always have canes to show superiority and social status. I, myself, am not a proponent of the Freudian lens (because in reality it's just a biological lens), but even I was surprised nobody, let alone Mr. C did not even mention it.
[By the way "The Trees" by Rush is an excellent song that can be related to this book. Ironically, Rush filmed their 1982 music video "Subdivisions" in Scarborough.]
Typically, as a frequent observer of books and films, I abhor viewing a film before reading a novel. Because this is commonly the case, I feared reading Life of Pi after seeing the film would be somewhat of a let-down for me, especially because the film was so well made. However, to my surprise, I have found myself quite enjoying the book despite knowing the plotline in advance. In fact, the first item discussed in class that I have found interesting are the differences and similarities between the book and the film. Members of my class noted that additions or deletions were probably made with the film in order to appeal to a larger audience. By appealing to a wider range of individuals, ticket sales will rise and income from the film will soar. We discussed that filmmakers care little about the details of the book and rather focus their interests on maximizing the profits.
The second point of interest to me is Pi’s examination and discovery of religion in the novel. Particularly striking to me, as I shared in the latest forum with my class, was Pi’s confrontation with the priest. Whilst in this conversation, Pi dissects Christianity as an outsider. As a reader and a Christian, taking in Pi’s comments was difficult. In many ways, it made me feel defensive. At first, I hated this portion of the novel. Yet, as I read the passage a second time, I grew to appreciate Pi’s nitpicking. It allowed me to view Christianity from an absolute outsider point-of-view, something I have never been able to do before. Martel writes this portion of the novel in such a way that I was able to stand in shoes I have never stood in before.
Finally, I was intrigued-as were my classmates- of the style and fashion that Martel has scribed his novel in. We discussed at length, that his work is constructed marvelously in a way unlike other works we have been exposed to. Life of Pi does not read like fiction. I am uncertain as to why it has such realistic qualities. Perhaps, it is the numerous facts scattered throughout the novel or the informal narrative tone he speaks in. Regardless, I am thus far pleased with Yann Martel’s novel: The Life of Pi.
The previous comment, that begins with- "Typically, as a frequent..." would be mine.
Sorry, for confusion.
Voigt, 7.
Kunkel, 2
There have been topics of conversation over the past few weeks that have truly struck me. I truly love this book and to be honest it was hard to pick just three. My first favorite topic was the topic of zoos and whether they are humane or not. I have always loved zoos and reading about Pi's experience as a child growing up in the zoo truly fascinated me. I have always had a true passion for animals and I do believe that zoos are extremely humane. At the Walt Disney World Resort, part of the resort is a theme park called Animal Kingdom. Since I can remember, I have always truly loved visiting this place and seeing all of the animals. They try to recreate the natural habitats as well as possible, and I do believe they have succeeded. I would have loved growing up in a zoo as Pi did. The experiences he had could last an entire lifetime in memories.
My second favorite discussion topic was the fear of animals. Pi's father takes him around the zoo and tells him of all of the terrible things that animals can do to hurt him. This struck me as particularly harsh. The last thing a child thinks about is the danger an animal can cause. One of my favorite passages from the book thus far is the passage about giving the animals personalities and voices, because I used to love to do that as a child. I never really considered many animals to be dangerous. I cannot imagine being in Pi's shoes and having to witness the vicious lion tearing apart the poor, innocent goat limb to limb. As children, we strive to see the good in all that is around us, and being introduced to the horrors of the world can sometimes be more than a child can handle at such a young age.
The final thing that truly struck me in our conversations was that of the three religions. I have been raised in a very religious family and in some churches, we are flat out told everyone else is wrong and the others are going to hell. I've never truly believe that statement personally-- I hate the thought of people that I love burning in the depths of a firey pit just because they do not share the same beliefs I do. The three religious leaders in the market came and fought about who was right and all Pi said was "I just want to believe in God.' This statement struck me to my very core. Why can't he just believe in all three? What if there is a rule that warns against that! We are given the freedom to make our own decisions. Pi is basically telling them that they all are right, even though they are incredibly different. I loved this passage because of Pi's positive outlook on life. It opened my mind for great discussions with my peers and my family.
Westcott, 5
Multiple times this semester and last, Mr. C has ended the class period by telling us to “keep our tigers trained”. Before indulging into the book Life of Pi, I had no idea what this absurd comment meant. I had decided that Mr. Christensen was only trying to be funny, and blew it off. However, in reading the novel, I find myself coming back to that statement. In one version of Pi’s story, Richard Parker is a wild tiger. In another, Richard Parker is himself. By telling us to keep our tigers trained, I feel Mr. C is referencing the tiger inside each of us. Learning to keep our angry and hateful emotions under control is a major part of everyday life. The second thing that has stuck with me the past couple of weeks is the different ways pi can be written. In the movie, Pi writes the number 3.14159 etcetera to make a point. Some felt it drug on too long, and could have been shortened and kept the same meaning. I feel that Pi was taking his frustration of being ridiculed out on the board and the class. He wanted to prove that he was no longer scared to stand up for himself. The thing that stuck out to me the most though was the beginning of class today. Starting with a tiger cane, Mr. C instructed certain people to come to the front of the class to dance for everyone. One thing I noticed while this was happening was that he only singled out males in our class. I also noticed that the boys who were selected were very timid about going in front of the class. Choosing random individuals to get in front of a class and embarrass themselves is asking a lot, and many are not brave enough to do this in high school. I feel we all need a little more bravery and self-confidence. We should not be afraid to get in front of a class of our peers we have been in school with for years, but we are.
Kirkus 2
One thing that struck me as particularly fascinating in Life of Pi was Martel’s depiction of zoos. Prior to reading this novel, I did not have a very high opinion of zoos. I was under the impression that zoos were prisons for animals that have done nothing wrong and they were not beneficial to the animals contained in them. Martel’s opinion is the exact opposite. He gives very legitimate reasoning in support of zoos, and greatly altered my view on them. I can now see that it really makes no difference to an animal whether it is in a zoo or not. Another aspect of this novel that greatly interested me is the fact that Pi dedicates himself to three religions at once. Not being devoutly religious myself (but raised Catholic), I have often wondered about other religions of the world. To a lot of Americans, all other religions except Christianity are viewed as evil (mostly Islam), and they do not want to open themselves to the idea that their God could be the same as another religion’s God. I, however, like this idea, and I feel that Pi’s devotion to three religions could open this line of thinking to many who read it. When the three religious leaders approach Pi and begin quarreling with each other, I think Martel might be hinting that people need to be more open and accepting of each other’s religions and cultural differences. I believe, though, that this is an improbable/impossible “world peace” type of idea. The third thing that I was intrigued by was the fact that this story lets the reader believe one of two stories: the story with animals, or the story with people. I wouldn't say that a person couldn't believe both, but only one could have literally happened. I guess it just piqued my interest because it is something new to me, and it makes me eager to finish the book.
N. Peterson 2
There are three things that we’ve discussed that have really stuck out to me in the last week. 1) The argument about whether not zoo captivity is good or bad for animals. Before reading Pi’s description of zoos our class discussion during the last forum quiz I was against them. Although I loved visiting them as a child, I thought the animals felt confined and unhappy. Now, I have a completely different outlook; the zoo is the animal’s home and as long as they have their own territory they are happy being there and wouldn’t leave even if they were given the chance. 2) The three different types of religions Pi follows and the encounter with the three “wise men”. When criticized for his views and beliefs in three different types of religions, Pi tries to construe that even though each religion has it’s differences they all have something in common: their love for God. This really intrigued me. Instead of looking at the differences of the religions, like most people do, Pi focuses on the similarities. We are all so caught up in the guidelines we fail to see the big picture. Even the most knowledgeable leaders struggle to see what’s really important, which is shown by the three religious leaders Pi encounters. 3) The tiger and the goat scene. When I first read this part in the novel I was appalled. I was grossed out and didn’t understand why this was necessary. After thinking more in depth about this extremely graphic part, I feel that it was foreshadowing the events that take place later on in the novel and I now understand that Pi’s father wasn’t trying to be mean he was teaching him and his brother a very important life lesson that, I think, could be a contributing factor to Pi’s survival.
Petersen 7
1. The concept of practicing three different religions at the same time struck me as fascinating. Pi practices Hinduism, Christianity, and Islam. During one of the forums this topic was discussed at length. How is it possible to believe in three religions at one time? I came from a Christian background and other religions do not really upset me when someone challenges mine. But when reading this book, I noticed how similar these religions are. They are all striving for something bigger than themselves. I personally believe that Pi is praying to one God but through three different ways. As we said during class: three passports and one destination. I actually like how religious Pi is. It shows his determination and humbleness; I think it foreshadows a lot of how he will deal with stuff in the future.
2. Another concept that was also as fascinating was the scene that Pi and Ravi watch the goat being eaten alive. As I read the scene I could tell it would be a important part of the foundation of the story. Seeing the goat being eaten alive was almost a loss of innocence and a rite of passage for Pi. The goat was innocent, but was sacrificed to the tiger to prove a point to the boys. By Pi's father feeding the goat to the tiger he is untimely is saving the boys. The goat is taking the boys' place. Seeing this happen also allowed Pi to survive on the lifeboat, it gave him the knowledge of space with animals.
3. Besides the book we are reading, the discussion of archetypes fascinated me. I guess I did notice that a lot of the books I read have reoccurring themes, but I never thought about it in depth. People write to prove points, entertain, teach, or challenge society. I should have noticed this before but I was stuck in the wonderland of my books. I find it really interesting how we can compare characters in the books to each other and I am looking forward to using this concept to achieve my feat.
Bauer 2
My top three fascinating things we discussed in class were Archetypes, Life of Pi author’s note, and Pi’s description of his childhood at the zoo. Archetypes are the main thing that really stuck out to me. I never noticed how often similar writing styles are used, and how the characters of every single novel fit into the same categories. The author’s note from Life of Pi also really fascinated me. The writing style used was amazing. The way Martel introduces the character of Pi is so different than any other novel. By introducing him as an Indian man telling him a story, it makes both stories, the human story and the tiger story, even more believable. Pi’s description of his childhood at the zoo was the last thing that continues to bounce about in my mind. Pi was telling the readers about his fear of animals living in uncertainty with high fear, low food, and minimal shelter. He describes every single animal and how they act in their day to day activity. He explains how everything him and his parents do must be the same every day to keep the animals pleased. Pi and his parents do everything they can to make the zoo a better place for the animals to live, but is the zoo truly better for the animals than their natural environment. This is a definite foreshadowing to Pi being controlled by Richard Parker. Our instructor was undoubtedly correct when he said it is better to know the ending of the story so that you can notice all of the foreshadowing and writing techniques being used by the author. Our forums and discussion in class continue to keep my mind flowing. We have many important points every day so it was challenging to narrow down these points to a top three. However, my top three topics that won the battle for the most importance were archetypes, Life of Pi author’s note, and Pi’s description of his childhood at the zoo.
Stephens 1
Life of Pi is proving to be very thought provoking and living up to the high standards in which it is placed. Without a doubt the religious element is fascinating, yet frustrating at the same time. There are more similarities within religions than people like to realize, because we like to believe that our views are correct and everyone else is wrong. There are a lot of pretty significant differences though as well. An example would be that Hinduism believes in many Gods and Christianity strictly forbids the worship of any other God or idol. Therefore, Pi cannot be fully committing himself to all three religions accurately if he is completely aware of the opposing differences and chooses to ignore them. The second thing that has intrigued me is the archetypes in which we are studying. Obviously everyone knows how predictable most books and movies are, but I have never actually studied the similarities, so I have found them very interesting. Another topic that was brought up in our last forum caught my attention. You made the point that people pick and choose what to follow out of the Bible such as the Ten Commandments and not mixing fabrics. I had an answer for you, but I did not feel it was appropriate for class because it was long, but I will answer now. Jesus said he was the Messiah and a crucial aspect of the "coming of the Messiah" and subsequent Messianic Age is that we will no longer have to follow the "Old Law" (the 613 commandments found in the Old Testament.) Therefore because Christians believe he was the Messiah they believe they do not have to follow the Old Law. Though everything in the New Testament is a part of the New Law and is to be followed. The Bible is made up of six or seven covenants depending on your perspective. Jesus abolished all preceding covenants. This is confusing to most people because I am saying that we do not have to follow the Ten Commandments. While that is true, every commandment is reiterated in the New Testament and is still valid because of that unlike mixing fabrics. The Ten Commandments are taught to children because they are good morals to live by and easier to explain and memorize. Though there are many words of wisdom and much to learn from the Old Testament, the rules no longer apply to today. This does not make the Old Testament any less important. That would be like saying history class in school is unnecessary. The final thing that has intrigued me is the archetypes in which we are studying. Obviously everyone knows how predictable most books and movies are, but I have never actually studied the similarities, so I have found them very interesting.
Pederson 7
With each consecutive forum quiz, I enjoy learning from others, as well as providing useful questions or explanations of my own. One concept I enjoy discussing is questioning “Why not both?” Applying this question to the events in this novel provides a deeper understanding of the story, and gives me a different look at the world around me. When considering the true inhabitants of the boat, I notice different passages that give both sides to the story. One section states that “[Richard Parker] doesn’t even realize that his picture is being taken”, suggesting that Richard Parker may be Pi’s inner tiger that manifests itself on the boat (87). However, another section talks about the injured zebra, and Pi wonders why Richard Parker had not killed it (109). If Pi is Richard Parker, why would he have confusion over the other’s actions? Another area where this concept can be applied is when Pi talks with the atheist Mr. Kumar about religion. When Mr. Kumar suggests religion is darkness and Pi believes that religion is light, I began to think “Why not both?” Religion may give salvation to believers, but it is also the foundation for many wars. You could also look at it in another fashion, suggesting that religion is used to better understand the world around you, or else that religion is impossible to understand and focusing on it hinders society.
Another concept I enjoyed discussing was the use of the number three in this story. I noticed even the blog task uses this sacred integer. The novel begins with Pi’s fascination with the three toed sloth. I noticed how this animal was able to soothe Pi’s tormented soul, and it seemed similar to seeking religious purification. Even the mathematical term pi begins with the digit of three. In the novel, three wise men approached Pi and his family one day. Not only did this have an obvious biblical reference, but this section also helped explain that religions seem to only focus on their differences, when much of their belief systems are the same. Pi simply wants to believe in God, whether that’s the Holy Trinity, Allah, or the assortment of Hindu gods. Why can’t they all exist? Perhaps we will never know, as religion is as mysterious as the infinite digits of pi.
The final concept I found interesting was the idea of working in streaks. Before today, I had never known what a group of tigers was called. I am quite skeptical of group work, as it sometimes inspires sloth-like behavior. Certain people may slack on their duties, as only one person is responsible for the group’s grade. I understand this is to get the more quiet people to speak during the forum quizzes, but is pressuring a small group of students to speak a better alternative than our current situation where every person can participate fully?
Rasmussen pd. 5
1. This week we talked about how directors and authors use water as a sort of cleansing symbol. Then answer me this, why in the novel Life of Pi, is water always used for destruction and death? The water takes down the ship in the begging. Water is the thing that keeps Pi from escaping the boat with Richard parker. Why did the author decide to make water destructive? Was it to take us out of our element? We view water as safe and life giving. Martel uses water to take life instead of give it.
2. I liked the idea that Pi was one of the best followers of any religion on this earth. He as a child hasn’t had time to let the world around him cloud his mind. All he wants to do is love God. It doesn’t matter what God that is, he views all of them as one. In a sense, he makes his own religion through combining all of them. He is the only one in the entire book who isn’t following anyone previous. Others are following what they were taught or what they were raised with. Pi clearly is making his own religion because his family has almost a split personality in a way. So because of this, Pi’s mind cannot be clouded by preconceived notions.
3. I found that the development of the name Pi was really interesting. Pi as we know it in math is an irrational number. It goes on forever without end. This kind of describes Pi in himself. From the outside, he doesn’t make sense. Individuals see him as crazy because of his views but this is only because they are only looking from a small viewpoint in the world. Pi is the only one who can understand how he believes what he believes. I think this is good because if someone else thought the same as Pi, Martel would be forced to have them go on the same journey together since they think so much alike.
Nifong period 1
Being absent for the last forum was very unfortunate. Missing out on quality discussions with my peers bums me out. However, I do have my personal thoughts about the novel so far. First off, I was fascinated with the author’s note. Uniquely crafted and scripted, I have never read anything remotely close to the note. The Bolivia situation fascinated me. Initially I thought that he had just sent the book some place random on a map. I didn’t really believe the connection with Bolivia and oblivion. The words do sound very similar; I just didn’t think someone would tediously include that seemingly minute detail. But, within the first twenty pages of the novel I noticed the word oblivion. I was amazed! The seemingly bogus story about Bolivia and oblivion suddenly seemed more believable. I definitely believe that he chose Bolivia because it sounds like oblivion. I love all of the details that add up to something remarkable! It’s making my reading interesting and worthwhile. Additionally, the concept of the merging of fiction and non-fiction is really mind boggling to me. I tried to understand what Mr. C was saying, but then I started reading. The lines are blurred. You don’t know the truth from carefully crafted words. I like this. This writing style is unique and rare. I think that Yann Martel does a fabulous job; however I don’t think this is a task for just any author. Overuse of this concept would become boring, so I’m glad not many authors write like this. Thirdly, I appreciate the expansion of my thinking that wouldn’t have happened without this class. I never would have questioned if Richard Parker was actually on the boat. But, I do, because of the valuable discussions we have during class. It makes me think hard about everyone’s inner tiger. I think about situations that bring out my inner tiger—like today, at the nursing home I’m an intern at, I witnessed a CNA rudely yelling at a resident. My inner tiger immediately came out, and I took the resident out into the day room so I could spend one on one time with her. I was so mad at the CNA, I considered growling at her. But I knew her intelligence was much too low to understand a Life of Pi reference.
Scholten 2
Three concepts that have stuck out to me and have caused me to ponder more on my own were discussed just recently in class. As a child, I visited the zoo—not often but occasionally. I always had this idea in my head that the zoo animals hated being locked up and confined to their small spaces rather than in the wild. The first concept that struck me as intriguing was when Pi explained how animals enjoy being in the zoo. In the novel, Pi explained that the animals’ habitats weren’t all that different than the African plains or the Arctic tundra. The environments of the numerous animals are just about the same as what they would expect to see in the wild, only on a smaller scale. The zoo enclosure actually produces less stress for the creatures since food, water, and shelter are given to them. The various stories Pi shares of the animals returning to the zoo surprised me. I believed that animals tried to escape from zoos for a better life in the wild! According to Pi, animals love being in the zoo. Secondly, the part in the novel where Pi’s mother wanted to buy a pack of cigarettes perplexed me. I felt the same way as her husband who questioned why she suddenly felt the urge to pack some tobacco. If she didn’t smoke, why did she have a need to buy a pack? She was scared of moving and feared they wouldn’t have that brand of tobacco in Canada. She probably found comfort in knowing she was going to have one normal Indian possession along with her as a reminder of her homeland—even if it was a pack of cigarettes. During the forum, one classmate of mine explained how she moved around a lot as a child and compared herself to Pi’s mom. Like Mrs. Patel, she finds joy in having certain things from home to keep with her wherever she travels. It’s scary moving to a new place, so having that one thing stay the same helps with the transition. The third idea that fascinated me was the fact that there were two Mr. Kumars. At first, I wondered why Yann Martel would have two characters have the same name. Names mean a lot in novels. They aren’t picked at random. One Mr. Kumar is an atheist teacher. The second Mr. Kumar is a Muslim baker. The two are very different. Maybe Martel is blatantly trying to say that there are two sides to people. With the Kumar’s as a hint, Martel foreshadows Pi’s alternate side—Richard Parker.
Bakke 7
1) One topic that seems prevalent to me is three. Throughout the beginning of the novel we know that Pi is a religious boy, but does not know what religion to follow. So he becomes devout to three (Islam, Christianity, and Hindu). He is told that he cannot follow all three, but one, by both his outraged religious leaders and his unreligious parents (who truthfully would rather him have zero than one or three). As an unreligious person myself, at first glance I would agree with the parents, but then I say, “Wait, Pi can practice religion if he wants to.” Then I agree with the priests and say, “Wait, Pi can practice religion if he wants to.” Then I agree with Pi, Three is better than one or zero.
2) Another topic discussed in class was whether zoos were a good place for animals or not. I believe that depends on the zoo. If conditions are good and the animals are taken care of properly, then a zoo is a good place for and animal, if the staff is poorly trained or does not care and visitors are cruel, then a zoo is not a good place for an animal. The human tendency is to look at a tiger, a panda or a rhino in a pit or a cage and pity it, but the consideration is not taken into account of: Does it have enough space? Is it being taken care of? What was its life like or what would it be like outside the zoo?
3) A final in topic that piqued my interest was the parallel between Mr. and Mr. Kumar. I was shocked the first time I read the Muslim man’s name as it looked familiar, but due to the foreign nature of the names, they do not stick as well. I love that these equal but opposite tutors have taken Pi under their wings and have each made a profound impact on his life that leads to Pi planning his future. The fact that Pi can be attracted to their differentness is like how he can be attracted to different religions. He can see the beauty in each, and really want something similar out of both, knowledge.
Rollag 5
The first thing that I want to expand upon that we briefly touched upon in class was brought up by Mr. Hensley. He mentioned an idea I had been contemplating for a while and that was how to explain the fact that both of the survival stories told in life of Pi can be believed at the same time by paralleling it with a known physical property of matter. Schrödinger’s cat is a common thought experiment designed to help understand the quantum mechanical idea of particle being in two states at the same time. Since you probably don’t know the concept behind it I will quickly explain it for you. The idea is if you put a cat in a box with a poison set to go off when it detects the decay of a single particle. That particle has the ability to be both decayed and not decayed at the same time resulting in the poison both killing and not killing the cat so in theory you have both a dead and living cat inside the box. This is an easy way for me to understand how the animal and human stories are true and allow you to say yes to the question “do you want a booth or table.” The next idea we discussed was that of the archetypes found throughout the world and how almost all cultures have similar ideas reflected in their stories and legends. This pointed to one of the other ideas I have noticed in Life of Pi and that is that people often look only at the differences and I believe we should be more like Pi and consider the similarities in our own judgments of others. Finally the idea of the reoccurring theme of religion which is integrated in big or small ways into all the stories we have read at this point. Every story we have discussed how Simon or McMurphy are the Christ figures and sacrifice themselves for the benefit of the rest. It shows how important the faith aspect is to the lives of the readers and those of the writer and characters.
Collin Livingston Pd.5
The topics we have discussed in class have been very revealing and tremendously heavy in meaning. Yann Martel’s Life of Pi is a very deep book in its entirety, slightly perturbing to some but eye opening to all who choose to page through such a tremendous novel. Out of all topics we choose to analyze and discuss in class I found the symbol behind Piscine Molitor Patel’s nickname, Pi, the most intriguing. Pi in math is a number stretching forever; a number that never repeats or has a sequence. This symbolizes how Pi’s story and adventure are one of kind. Unlike how everyone has the chance to do most things not one human being could possibly re-live the experience Pi goes through on that small life raft in the middle of the mighty Pacific. Not only does pi represent an infinite number, it also represents an always continuous shape: a circle. An author wouldn’t have a character nicknamed “Square” or something hinting at such a shape, the limited symbolism behind such a nickname would prove to be a dead end in any realm of storytelling. Such a nickname with boundless potential possibly symbolizes his never-ending thoughts, his own entity, or even just his sheer experiences. A topic in class I found came in a close second was when we discussed Pi’s thoughts behind religion and its ties with zoo animals. Pi chose to study both religion and zoology, a peculiar mix until the reader discovers how Pi believes the two are twisted together in society. Pi says the people think keeping the animals inside their pens in cruel, that they should be out in the wild where they long to be. At first a brainwashed observer would say the same until Pi says that the zoo pens provide a type of security to the animals. Not only are the animals taken care and watched over, they have something to trust in to provide comfort. Just like these animals find comfort in their pens and caretakers, we humans find comfort in religion, which is highly debated in India at this time because of the belief of infringing on the freedoms of the people. People hate how both infringe on freedom, the animals in cages and religion in its entirety, but choose not to leave their faith because of the safety it provides. Pi says no one wants to be left in the dark, and that is exactly what keeps people rooted. Lastly, I found our discussion on the symbolism behind Pi’s adventure and the book his mother gave him, Robinson Crusoe, and how they are extremely similar. In Crusoe’s story, he is shipwrecked, finds a mysterious island, and trains animals. This is exactly what happens to Pi eventually and due to our knowledge on the occurrences throughout the novel I can note this as a splendid symbol, one that makes me want to read, identify, and analyze this story even furthermore. The way Martel wrote this book is extremely provocative to the senses of literary scientists and stimulates my will to study the anatomy of such a subject!
Wilde 7
The three concepts that have been most effective in captivating my attention include the following: 1.) Yann Martel’s expression of religion 2.) Pi’s accepting of three religions 3.) Pi’s father’s actions in feeding the live goat to the tiger.
First, I really appreciate the way in which Yann Martel depicts belief in religion. Obviously, religion serves as one of the most controversial and highly debated topics in the world. However, Martel depicts (based on my personal interpretations) belief in religion in a way that both non-believers and believers alike can come to appreciate. My interpretation of Life of Pi essentially comes down to the idea that belief in religion generally creates a better, more fulfilling life [to some] than disbelief in the supernatural. Although we all ought to rationally believe that the animals are mere symbols of the true human inhabitants of the lifeboat, I get the sense that Martel pushes us to believe the animal story. Why? The answer is clear—doing so creates a much more entertaining story. Whether or not what Pi’s three religions say hold any truth, they certainly contain elements our society seeks to integrate.
Second, I find it intriguing how Pi holds three religions to be true. These three religions are filled with overlapping notions that certainly do not allow the possibility for complete truth throughout. I feel that Pi’s accepting of three religions fits well with my first point. He incorporates these three religions into his life to best associate himself with God/the Gods. Any expert would conclude that it is entirely irrational to hold three somewhat contrasting religions to complete truth.
Last, I found Martel’s vivid depiction of the goat scene to be utterly horrifying. As the goat soon approached its death, “its flanks were heaving violently, its tongue hung from its mouth, and its eyes were spinning orbs” (35). I quickly read this passage, simultaneously envisioning the helplessness of the defenseless goat, trapped in the eyes of a vicious tiger. This act by Pi’s father will forever scar Pi. Perhaps it was necessary living on a zoo. However, I feel that no sane father would expose an innocent child to such brutality.
Redford 7
One of the things we discussed that I found particularly interesting had to do with religion. It seems as though everyone has been taught at least one religion and have at one point or another followed a religion. However, it strikes me as interesting that most people know very little about other religions, or, in many cases, even about their own. They claim to be close to God and claim to love God, yet most of them condemn other religions and other outlooks on life. This can be seen with the bickering between the three people that brought religion into Pi’s life. When they all meet up at the zoo, they start bashing one another for their religious outlooks. However, when Pi says that he just wants to love God, it seemed to almost knock some sense into all of them. It took that comment for them to realize that that’s what they’re all trying to do.
Another part of the novel that I found fascinating had to do with the talk about the animals. Pi says that the animals want to stay there; the animals are safe there and have a home there. They are fed and kept happy. He gives numerous examples of how if an animal escapes they usually end up coming back. I really enjoyed the part about how the most dangerous animal in the zoo was a human. The people that go to zoos and try to feed the animals or litter sometimes don’t realize the potential harm that they could be doing, but they almost always do damage in some way.
A final intriguing item discussed had to do with his family. The author never noticed that Pi even had a wife or kids until after he was actually introduced to them. He said after he met the wife that he could then notice signs of her existence around the house, but before he didn’t notice them. This may be because he was so focused on getting what he wanted: a story. However, the fact that Pi didn’t even mention them could be seen as strange. Most parents are quite proud of their children and are willing to talk endlessly about their accomplishments. Perhaps Pi was trying to protect his kids and wife by not mentioning them. His family had already been taken from him once, which would provide reason for him wanting to be careful with his new family.
Pham 7
1) Pi’s theory on zoo life vs. wild life
2) Pi’s religious beliefs
3) Condemnation of rationale
In the novel, Life of Pi, Pi attempts to argue the point that zoo life is better than wildlife for the animals. I disagree with his argument. Brilliantly stated in the novel, the most dangerous animal in the zoo is indeed the human. Pi goes on to tell of the grievances of the animals by the abuse of the people, such as the inorganic feed or the breaking of beaks. In addition, I believe this reveals the communist nature of Asia major. Perhaps it also reveals the socialist nature of author Yann Martel; Martel was born in liberal Europe, traveled and finally resided in Canada. The government—the humans of the zoo—controls all aspects of the animals’ lives—when they eat, what they eat, and where they eat it. The keepers have full control over the lives of the animals. In addition, all the animals are equal and now have an equal chance to survive. This is firmly anti-evolution, something that Pi seems to support throughout the entire novel. In nature, the creatures are allowed to play their role in the circle of life and participate in their community. Thus, only the fittest survive. This is representative of a free enterprise society. Something that is much rejected in this novel.
On the topic of hypocrisy, Pi is underhanded when he criticizes agnostics. In a way, Pi himself is the embodiment of agnosticism. Because he cannot find belief in one religion, he envelops himself in three. These three religions cannot coexist. They are based on different principles; they are based to debase each other. For example, Christianity condemns that slave ancestry of the prophet Muhammad and Islam does not recognize Jesus as the Messiah. In fact, many holy wars have been fought to prove superiority. That being said, Pi cannot simply believe in all three religions. Agnostics are unsure if there is a god; Pi is unsure which gods truly exist, so he blindly follows all three.
Partially relevant, our society condemns rationale. In the novel, Pi looks down upon agnostics for being rational and pondering if there are gods instead of possessing belief or disbelief. The protagonist is very irrational—clearly shown when he does not take the bananas and allows Richard Parker onto the boat. Even a school setting, we fight rationale. A student with perfect pitch questioned today the reliability of the instructor’s hatchet metaphor and was condemned for it. The hatchet is, indeed, a short-ranged weapon with little impact. It can be easily dodged and easily blocked. A ranged weapon would be much better in this case because of the safety capability. Yet irrationality destroyed this argument. Society has truly regressed from its age of thinking into irrational conservatively religious sects. A shame it truly is.
Beckman 2
We’ve talked about a vast number of topics lately, especially since starting Life of Pi. One thing that has caused me to think a great deal is the question of whether there are really animals on the boat with Pi or if it is a story of cannibalism. I have thought about this more than I initially thought I would, because after seeing the movie I automatically believed the story of the animals but even after only part one I am starting to doubt my first impression. Doubting, because Yan Martel is such an amazing author that he can portray the story so positively that it would be hard to doubt that Richard Parker did not exist—unless you read the book, where he makes you wonder from the very beginning. If Richard Parker is so vital to Pi’s story where is he? Why are we nearly 100 pages in without being introduced? Not to mention the subtle clues I feel he is leaving us as readers that Richard Parker is really Pi. Which leads to my next thought: Are we all capable of acting like tigers? Today we talked about that in class, if we have ever had to show our tiger side. That struck me as an odd question, maybe because of how it was phrased or because it really caused me to look back on my life and wonder. There were a few brief—and rather uneventful –times that came to mind but never to the extent that I needed to rely on my natural animalistic side to survive, that I could not even begin to fathom! Finally, with all of the animal talk we have been doing—and reading about—I was really getting the urge to go to the zoo, and not two minutes after I told the person sitting next to me that I wanted to go there Mr. C. asked if we would be interested in going to the zoo for extra credit. Heck yeah! I was so excited about that, I love the zoo and always have. We also talked about the circus, I have not been there as many times as the zoo but one thing I did remember about the circus was the time my sisters and I went with my dad and we got there early enough before that we could ride the elephants if we wanted to. Of course we wanted to, what little kids wouldn’t? That was absolutely amazing!! It was terrifying because the elephant was so much bigger than us we were so high up, but at the same time is was thrilling I had never done anything like that and I am glad to be able to say that I did have that experience. Not that I could necessarily say the same for my little sister, she was more terrified and excited but it is still a great story in my eyes nonetheless.
Weidenbach 1
One of the three concepts that struck me as intriguing was the most dangerous animal at the zoo. I feel every zoo should have the mirror effect Pi’s father put in place. Everyone would probably be much more likely to engage with this sense of understanding than just reading the typical, “don’t feed the monkeys.” When I was a kid I am guilty of being the most dangerous animal at the zoo. I remember tossing a piece of popcorn into the moose exhibit. I don’t think the moose even recognized the popcorns tiny existence; primarily because I tossed it into the moat which laced the inside of the exhibit and he was standing a good 30 feet away staring in the opposite direction... None the less, from reading Life of Pi I am appalled at what some people try to feed zoo animals and my own popcorn excursion. This symbol of being the most dangerous animal at the zoo can not only be interpreted as a literal form, but to the existence that mankind in itself can be a destructive and dangerous creature. Just like the man who fed the bull elephant seal broken glass, some pricks try to give children candy with razor blades in them. The second concept I found interesting was the magnitude of religion discussed in the book. It was amazing how the main religions of the world were compared to the three wise men. It was enlightening to see a character that can actively pursue all three at the same time. Not only that, but have the effect it is completely fine to do so. The last concept I found was the inner tiger in us all. It is a very fascinating but scary subject in my opinion. Some people cannot keep their “tigers” trained and bad things may occur. Or some people may keep their “tigers” trained to well and never be themselves. These are concepts I hope we enlighten more on in the next couple of weeks.
Svartoien, Pd 7
This week our Intro to Literature class has been examining archetypes, also known as symbols. I have noticed since this beginning of this class (as well as Composition) I have been finding symbols and hidden meanings scattered throughout my daily life. Whether they hold true substance in real life is debatable. Nevertheless, I couldn't help but compare Cuckoo's Nest situations to my work experiences at a group living facility. I started to wonder if that facility's residents and/or staff could be used as an analogy towards society as well, or if Cuckoo's Nest was simply a work of mastery from a hippy's mind. Relating to questionable sanity, I feel I can appreciate a daily habit I had taken for granted. Allow me to explain. Every day without fail, our instructor closes class with "Stay sane out there!". When school first started, I found this benediction insightful and understanding. Now, I feel an even deeper sense of appreciation after our class forums and discussions. It seems as if life is battling sanity and every day our instructor arms us with his quick pep talk before releasing us into the fierce unknown. This may be a bit dramatic, but what can I say? Play tryouts were today and I may still be in the theatric mood. After all, artists (whether literary or theatrical) are by nature eccentric. On a completely different note, I would like to briefly discuss a quote from the Life of Pi novel we are reading in class as well. On page 67, after a heated discussion regarding his multi-religioned faith, a young Pi Patel explains "I just want to love God." I absolutely love this quote. In the Bible, it says to have a heart like a child's. I admire Pi for his simple yet deep faith. What I love even more is that he keeps this mentality and faith throughout his life (I've seen the movie). I feel that people get too caught up on the little details such as denominations, and sexual orientations, and life choices. They then lose sight of the big picture: a faith in God.
VandeBerg 5
I think the main characteristic of our last forum on Life Of Pi has to concern religion. Religion has made itself apparent throughout the entire book to this point. The fact that Pi believes in 3 different religions is both interesting and controversial. I agree with his premise that religions are all very similar in that each religion believes in an ultimate being that created them and help with everyday life. All religions have some way in "sacrificing" or giving to their God to suffice Him. I also agree that all religions just want to love and appease God. However, I disagree that someone can be so many religions at one time. The main difference would be the different view points upon the God and exactly which God is he trying to appease? Surely, Hinduism and Christianity have a different conception of God and how He performs and acts? Let alone how Muslims feel about their God. Muslims pray quite a bit, as do Christians; however, Muslims have set times throughout the day to devote their time to God. Christians pray before each meal, in church, and whenever they feel they could use the touch of God's grace. I feel like Pi is trying to help us understand that religions are really similar if you take a look at them, however I disagree that one could be an avid believer in 3 different varieties of God, how he demands our worship, and how he acts.
Etrheim 5
Over the previous, weeks I found many topics particularly interesting. What I found most interesting was the issue of doubt in religion. In all of the religions Pi believes in—Hinduism, Christianity, and Islam—there are some pretty goofy stories. For example, the Christianity Bible tells of a man whose strength is directly related to the length of his hair. The longer Sampson’s hair, the stronger he was. Another story says that Moses was able to part the Red Sea. These stories are extremely hard to believe and scientifically are implausible. However, doubting that they occurred is not necessarily a bad thing. As a Christian, I know that doubt is necessary to have stronger beliefs. Questioning something proves that you truly care and only betters your religious views.
The second topic I found interesting is the use of archetypes in works of art (music, plays, films, novels, etc.). The last couple of days we have been discussing common archetypes found in these works of art. Archetypes have been all around us in every novel we have read so far this semester! In Lord of the Flies, an example of “the fall” would be the boys killing Simon. By killing Simon, they are losing all of their innocence and their life has become tainted with the murder. Another example of an archetype in Life of Pi is Pi trying to train Richard Parker. This would fall under the category of “catalog of difficult tasks”. Surely training a 450 lbs beast is a challenging and near-impossible task.
The third and final topic I found interesting is in regards to Pi’s name. Pi is the endless mathematical value of 3.141592654…. I said endless because of its infinite value. Pi is also on his own endless journey in the Pacific Ocean. He does not know when (if ever) he will be safely on land again. I found this fascinating how just his name is directly related to the majority of Martel’s plot.
Peltier 5
Within the past few weeks, we have discussed several different things that I find it difficult to narrow my list down to three specific topics. The first thing I found particularly interesting was Pi’s experience of growing up in the zoo and having a father as a zookeeper. In chapter 4, Yann Martel goes into a vast description of what the zoo was like for Pi.
“Suddenly, amidst the tall and slim trees up ahead, you notice two giraffes quietly observing you. The sight is not the last of your surprises. The next moment you are startled by a furious outburst coming from a great troupe of monkeys, only outdone in volume bye the shrill cries of strange birds” (13).
I find this short explanation of the zoo to be a perfect explanation of what my experience at the zoo was like as a child. Walking around the zoo with my parents, shortly glimpsing a goat and then suddenly looking up and seeing birds around, and zebras in another corral—quite interesting as a child.
The second thing I enjoyed over the past few weeks of reading Life of Pi was Pi’s view of religion. I believe that Pi thinks there is some sort of higher power. Everyone believes in a higher power, just not all the same. I guess backing up Pi’s beliefs, I do not believe in atheism. Atheism means having no belief in any higher power or God. This is not possible. Everyone to some extent believe in some sort of higher power. How else would they be here?
The third concept I have enjoyed the most was the mouse named Methuselah that was so intelligent. I loved this scene in the book because it adds a bit of humor yet at the same time, connection to the bible. I loved how there were several snakes that could not devour Methuselah. Methuselah built its own nest and stored grains that it was given. Nothing could stop this mighty mouse, until a viper that was unfamiliar with Methuselah came around and attacked the poor mouse. This did add some humor to the book that I found rather entertaining.
Andrews2
We have discussed many fascinating concepts lately that have definitely struck me. We have recently been talking abundantly about archetypes which frequently show up in literature,films, and even history. We use these archetypes all the time and sometimes it seems like we're telling the same story over again. Every story seems to have a confused hero who has to go on a journey that will help him or her discover themselves and possibly save the world. While on the way they fight a dastardly villain and usually always get their love interest in the end. We've had many examples of this in the past literature we have recently read. Archetypes are helpful in analyzing situation,characters,and helping predict foreshadowing, but they can also be harmful in their stereotypes. Another topic I thought was interesting was how each and everyone of us had a tiger inside of us. In Life of Pi it is heavily debated whether the story with the animals is real or if the the real story involves the humans. Either way both stories can be terrifying in their own ways. They also say a lot about the beast within. If the human story is to be believed then that means Pi let his "tiger" out to kill the cook in revenge. The tiger is just something deep inside Pi that has been inside him the whole time. On the other hand, Richard Parker is the real tiger and Pi had tame him. Lastly, Pi choosing to believe in three different religions simply because he loves God is remarkable. Pi simply did this, because he wanted a deeper understanding of his beliefs and love. He is approached by the "three wise men" and told he has to choose one, but he cannot. Life of Pi has many different themes and religion is one of the most important. Pi is very much a Christ-like figure on his journey of faith.
Lenz 7
The first concept that I find particularly fascinating is not much of a concept at all. I enjoy all of the artwork that has been kept from previous students and passed around during class time. Seeing these pieces not only gives a visual representation of the novel we are reading, but it also shows the different viewpoints of various students. I am definitely not artistic at all, so seeing the brilliant masterpieces that students have created puts me into a state of awe. Even the most simple of pieces such Bromden’s broom that is prominently displayed at the front of the classroom currently gets me to think of more symbols and imagery within the novel. I am an extremely visual and hands on learner, so having these magnificent works of art helps me to better understand the concepts we read about. The second concept that I find relevant is the archetypal approach to literature that we have been working on in class the past few days. Before this discussion, I never realized how similar most novels are. Now that my eyes (and my mind) have been opened to this concept, I have begun seeing it everywhere. These features do not only show up in novels, but also in many other works of art such as movies and poems. I completely understand how writers use archetypes as a way to connect with their audience without having to describe every action in the character’s life in extreme detail. By using archetypes, people will just innately know which character is the bad guy and which one is portrayed as good. A great example of this is the movie Cars 2. In this movie, the viewers do not need to be told Lightning McQueen and Mater are the good guys. Also, the writer does not come out and tell the audience that the “lemons” are the bad guys. This can be inferred from the fact that they always have scowls on their faces and look quite beat up. I find it particularly interesting that even with an animated Disney movie such as Cars 2, the audience instinctively knows who to root for. The third item on my list of relevant topics is the idea of a forum quiz. I am not a big advocate of written tests, so this is definitely more of my style. As I have previously stated, I am a hands on learner. By reading a book and writing down answers to minute details to prove that we have read the assigned pages does not assist in my learning process. I tend to memorize material for a test, but that does not mean that I will remember it months or even weeks from now. By taking a 50 minute class period to discuss symbols and other literary devices used by these brilliant authors, I feel as if the material is more likely to stick in my head. This also goes along with the feat project. By forcing me to create my own guidelines and choose how I would like to portray these books, it gets me to think about the books more in depth therefore helping me to understand them better and learn more from it. The critical thinking skills that I am learning through this class will not only be relevant for the rest of the semester, but also for the rest of my life.
Anderson 5
Three things that I found fascinating in the past week were how Pi has three religions, the relation of animals to humans, and the declaration of Pi’s name. I find it extremely interesting that Pi has three religions. Pi’s family is not religious, but Pi has enough religion for all of them. Pi’s three religions—Hinduism, Christianity, and Muslim—are said to have nothing in common with each other. This is because nobody is looking for the similarities, except Pi. The three priests confront Pi and his parents in an attempt to force Pi to choose between the three religions. Pi explains to them that he only wants to praise and love God. Another interesting element of the novel is the relation of animals to humans. The comparisons began at the very beginning of the novel. Animals in the zoo were confined into one specific space, and this space became their home. Pi was telling stories of some of the animals escaping, but they always seemed to come back to the zoo. The animals’ actions were compared to those of humans. If we were forced to leave our home, we would come back to it. The animals developed a sense of ownership to their pens in the zoo. The third item that I found interesting was Pi’s declaration of his name. Pi was unfortunately nicknamed “Pissing.” Everyone has hated nicknames, although mine were never as embarrassing as Pi’s. Pi began going to a new school, and when he was asked his name, he ran to the chalkboard and scribbled his new nickname—Pi. One thing that I inquired about Pi’s new nickname was that the number pi is unique. There is no pattern to the numbers, making it different from other numbers. It came into my mind that the number represents Pi’s uniqueness in the world.
Minihan 7
While reading the applauded novel “Life of Pi” and having in-class discussions and forums, my mind is becoming broader. The three concepts we discussed that struck me as particularly fascinating and relevant were: the fact that Pi follows three extremely diverse religions, the numerous types of archetypes, and the scene where the goat is killed by the tiger. How Pi “believes” in three different religions was the most interesting to me. Most children have a forthright belief, more than not it is the same as their parents’. For Pi Patel, this religion by default is not an option. While his parents do not belong to any church, Pi has important role models in his life who show him different beliefs and ideas. Another idea that my class discussed was the topic of endless archetypes. In our Mythological/Archetypal packet, is says: “Jung said that an archetype is “a figure… that repeats itself in the course of history wherever creative fantasy is fully manifested.” I found this quote interesting, because to me it is relating every novel and play. The archetype that is being repeated can be a villain (mad scientist, a bully, a temptress, etc…) The quote is telling me that although these types of stereotypes are repeated, the story lines all have their own creativity and originality. The last concept in the book that took ahold of my interest, was when Pi’s father—Santosh— decides that it is time to teach his sons a lesson. I was surprised that the killing of the goat was such a horrific event in Pi’s life. Like raising livestock and different types of animals, zoo-keeping must also encounter animal deaths of all sorts. Sickness, abortions, and all other causes of death is very likely to happen in a zoo. This is why I was surprised that Pi was so shocked and haunted about the goats death. I very much enjoy reading this foreign novel, because it brings many new concepts and ideas to me, which cannot be found in the normal South Dakota life.
Rusten 5
One of my three main concepts that we have discussed was religion. Religion in Life of Pi is eye opening and slightly amusing. Why can’t one young boy have three different religions. Growing up we are (usually) taught to believe in one religion and stick to it because that is how it is done, but Pi brings out the question if all religions are correct. Why believe in one when you can expand your mind and be diverse. The section in the book where the three religious leaders and Pi’s parents meet is extremely amusing. The leaders argue some time about their own religion and try to force Pi into choosing one, believing that you can only have one religion. Pi adverts the question and the leaders walk away with grudging smiles. I believe that they have lost hope and value in Pi when he does not specifically choose their religion so they no longer feel like they need to fight for him. Another particularly fascinating concept raises the question if the zoo is good for the animals or not. Growing up I made frequent trips to the zoo and although I loved staring at the animals I always felt bad for them. They never got to roam free or eat what they wanted to eat. They were just never free. I would always ask my dad if we could buy some animals and set them free later because I thought that is what would make them happy. But Pi brings my perspective into a whole new light. He argues that the zoo is actually comfortable for the animals and they would prefer it to the unknown. Pi stresses that the one thing animals hate is the unknown and he gives a story about leaving the cages open and the animals would stay rather then going free. My third concept is when Pi’s father shows Pi and his brother the tiger. At first I was appalled, who would show their young sons something so icky and so real life? Aren’t kids supposed to be protected? But as our instructor says, “Life is an R rated world”. Reading further ahead in the book (then what I was supposed to. Opps.) I now understand why this life lesson is so important and helpful to Pi in the future.
Ullom 7
1. One concept that intrigued me was the two days in class spent on archetypes. After reading all the different types of characters and settings, I realized just how similar novels can be. There is a common theme when it comes to the protagonist. Take a hero, for example. The packet we received, Mythological/Archetypal Approach Applied to Life of Pi, says, “a figure, larger than life, whose search for self-identity and/or self-fulfillment results in his own destructions.” What I find most compelling about this is not that it is seen through multiple novels, but the fact that each story is unique and many will not catch the similarities between heroes.
2. Another concept I liked was when we discussed how animals would prefer live in a zoo as opposed to the wild. When reading this section in the book, I was surprised because I had never thought about animals in the way Pi was able to describe them. As a young girl, I loved going to the zoo. I would feel bad for the animals because they were locked up in a cage. I always thought the animals hated where they were living. On the contrary. The animals are content with where they are as long as the environment is established correctly and the animal is dominant of its area. Animals will only try to escape if they are threatened by something invading their territory. It is quite amazing how animals can be so content living in a zoo.
3. A third idea that I enjoyed was talking about Mr. and Mr. Kumar. Pi had known two. One was his science teacher who was an atheist. The other Mr. Kumar helped Pi to become a Muslim. I like how Pi looks up to them both even though they have completely opposite viewpoints. Pi is showing the reader that you can admire and respect both.
Tibke 1
Since we began our forums for Life of Pi, I have come to take close looks into this reading. The three things that we have touched on that stand out to me was Pi's religious faith, Pi's need for letting his inner tiger out and our talk on whether or not you believe the animal or people story. As a christian I am a little skeptical on Pi's religion. He has taken the time to worship not two but three different religions-- Hindu, Muslim and Christianity. I understand hes want to worship and would respect his choice regardless of what it was. I just do not believe that he is doing it out of faith and is more so doing it for the opportunity to worship something or draw faith from somewhere. He can not be considered a true Christian in any case because in the bible it states that you will only worship one god and I feel like he is ignoring that without any remorse. Second was his need, or any ones need, to let out there inner tiger. I believe that everyone has a tiger within them and that it just takes the right circumstances to draw this beast out. In Pi's case he kept his tiger caged until his own life was about to be threatened. In the novel, When Pi first got on the life boat he was saying how he thought Richard Parker must have got off the boat. I think this is just his way of saying he was not needed so therefore he was put to the back of Pi's mind, It was nott until the "hyena" killed Orange Juice and turned in him that his tiger was set loose. Your inner tiger seems to me as sort of a defense mechanism to help deal with dangerous or tough times; and in times of need or if pushed the wrong way it will come to your rescue. The third topic was the conclusion of the book. What are the changes that a 5 ft 4 in boy would survive on a life boat in the middle of the ocean with Bengal Tiger? This story about the animals is too far fetched to me to seem like it could be real. I believe that Pi is using this story of him surviving on a boat with a tiger to help himself cope with the reality that he watched someone cut off his mothers head and he was forced to kill that person. He needed a way to escape the reality of one of societies biggest taboos. Cannibalism. His story of being with the tiger alone, I think, is his inner struggle to not let his inner tiger get the best of him and take over. Mr. C made a reference to an asymptote Martel is going to stretch the story to the point of non believing to make it seem unreal but will never truly cross that line; I think as close as he wanted to come, he might have stepped over it at a few points.
Heisel 2
This is my make-up blog. I am very disappointed in my lack of punctual blogging abilities, and in my lack of punctual make-up blogging abilities. Never-the-less, I present to you my six day late blog task. Enjoy.
In the interest of suspense and commonplace ordering, I will list the most interesting events starting with the third most interesting and ending with the most interesting.
3. The third most interesting this we discussed in class was Richard Parker representing the dark side of Pi. (This point is NOT concerning the animals as humans viewpoint, just a Freudian lens.) As the id to Pi’s superego, Richard parker is filled with brutality and general “manliness.” There are very few things I could think of more savage and terrifying than a Tiger. If thought of this way, the boat ride would concern Pi fighting with his id, rather than with a tiger.
2. In second place, the topic of religion. What you believe or do not believe in the story could be reflective of your faith in other things. Blind trust that a story is a certain way, whether it is likely or not, is what many people consider faith. When studying Life of Pi, the issue of faith is address. I am now becoming increasingly interested in the author’s religion. (I want to know not only what he believes, but why, and with how much conviction he believes.)
1. Now, finally, for the feature discussion point (how exciting!). The discussions, the debates, and the entire story focus on one thing—the animal story versus the human story. This may seem like point two, but it isn’t. I am talking about looking at every individual sentence and being able to take it both ways. Taking any paragraph at any point in the story and, base on your foreknowledge, you could believe two completely different things! This not only reflects religion perfectly, but also is extraordinary. To be able to write two lines per line, two sentences per sentence, and two stories per novel is incredible and mind blowing. Martel, you are a genius.
Dawn 2
Throughout the course of this English class we have been constantly discussing new and exciting topics and we have been discovering numerous different ways of reading and analyzing literary masterpieces. While reading Life of Pi, there have been countless concepts and literary devices we discussed but three of them in particular stood out: the archetypal analysis the class did; the fact that Pi Patel openly supports three very different religions; and the ever present debate over which story to believe—the animal story, or the more disturbing human version. First I am going to talk about the archetypal analysis done in our class. During these days in class we learned about archetypes, or universally known symbolic patterns. Analyzing Life of Pi using archetypes helped me understand the symbolism in this novel as well as the many common symbols throughout most novels. Next comes the religious aspect behind the story. Generally speaking, people take one religious stance and follow by that set of ideals. Pi Patel, however, chooses to believe in three religions at once, expressing the idea that more than one religion may be correct and it is not wrong to learn other religions and become cosmopolitan. Last but definitely not least is the question of whether to believe in the story of Pi’s journey being full of animalistic humans, or animals themselves. This debate is shown often between two people, but even more often between one’s own thoughts. Based on what you know in the novel already and how you choose to approach and analyze it, almost any part mentioned throughout Pi’s shipwreck ordeal could be interpreted either way. Thinking about Life of Pi as two stories in one transforms the already great work of art into an unbelievably incredible masterpiece. There is no doubt in my mind as to whether we should be studying this novel. The answer is a resounding yes.
Tew 1
When looking at the topic, I started to think, “hmmm, we did not really discuss anything except Life of Pi recently.” I found this entertaining since every now and again there is a story shared in class that has something to do with the lesson. Alas, this time there is no such story. I’d have to say, the most intriguing items that we spoke about is 1. the 3 wise men scene/ 2. Human/animal story/ 3. RP being Pi.
1. The three wise men scene struck me as interesting due to the fact that it is the first time ever that I have heard about shamans from different religions, fighting. I have never even seen different types of priests interact. Even though this is fiction, it is very possible that the situation might end up like this. Also, I found Pi’s answer to which religion to choose very political. He easily appeased three men and his parents all at once.
2. The human/ animal story debate is a very pleasant one. Everyone seems to believe it is the animal story due to all this symbolism that Martell placed in great spots. I am still a firm believer of the animal story of course, but I find it interesting that no one sticks up for the other side. I feel it is the animal story because it is so much nicer, which also alludes to religion. Why not believe in religion when the opposite is so dark? The same point goes with the stories. Why not believe in the animal story when the human version is so dark? This is how Martell points his finger at the animal story.
3. RP has two different identities due to the fact that there are two stories. If you believe the human story, RP is Pi. They even tell you that much in the book. But if you believe the animal story, than RP is God. God helps him through this whole experience. Pi constantly states that RP is the only reason he survived that long at sea. The un-ceremonial good-bye also adds to the fact that it is God. God is saying that he is always with him by not saying good-bye.
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