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Thursday, March 27, 2008
1984 Task 2 (20 points, 84+ words due Tuesday, April 8, by 10:00 p.m.)
What do you think of the resolution and conclusion (last 100 pages) of the marvelous 1984? Can you use a metaphor to help you describe how you feel about the resolution and conclusion?
I feel that the last 100 pages are just Orwell's way of finishing up his side story. After the chapters in "the book", Orwell has gotten out his side of the political agenda, and now the rest of the plot is just finishing up the story as fast as he can. O'Brian turns out to be a double agent... But that would mean he would have to use critical thinking skills, think for himself, and understand the ideas and theories of Goldstein. This would make him too smart for his own good, and he would not be allowed to live. However, the book did include some more controversial parts near the end... Is Winston ever really free or is he dreaming about the bar, Julia, and the rest of his "freedom". Does Winston really die in the end or is it just his rebellious and free side that is being killed? The book had a pretty good finish overall, leaving many open ended questions for discussion.
The ending was good overall. I was hoping that it would end up where Winston would be free and be against the Party. If that would have happened then it would have defeated the whole purpose of the book, to not let that horrible of a thing ever happen. I didn’t expect Julia and Winston to meet each other again, it was interesting. At the end Winston could pretty much do what ever he wanted. I thought it was crazy that Winston said he could kiss her and meet with her again and nobody would care. I wasn’t sure if Winston actually did get shot at the end. The end was very interesting, I wanted to get to the very end to find out whether he survived or not.
I thought the last 100 pages of 1984 were very interesting and had a great twist on the whole novel. I never would've expected both Mr. Charrington and O'Brien to be Thought Police and part of the Inner Party patrol. I didn't quite understand the whole questioning and captivity thing with Winston. Like how long he was held there and how often O'Brien questioned him. I was also surprised to know that Winston's greatest fear was rats. I thought it would be worse than that. And I found it surprising how he could give up Julia to save himself so easily. And then when he got released...I didn't get why nobody cared or monitored what Winson did in public. He was able to meet Julia again (which I believed O'Brien had killed her). And then from my understanding, Winston was shot by a soldier following behind him, even though he did become cured and praised/loved Big Brother.
O'Brien is a major Inner Party member. Charrington is a professional undercover Thought Policeman (it is likely that all the Thought Police members, men and women, work undercover). They caught Winston like a rat in a cage. They catch many people like Winston, I think. Winston is held in captivity for quite a while, it seems. A few months? O'Brien really works him over and "rehabilitates" him through physical and emotional abuse. Winston is constantly tortured and humiliated until he cannot withstand it. The decisive moment is when he betrays Julia. Orwell is absolutely right: the point at which you are willing to betray your loved ones is the point you are brainwashed. But maybe it is just human nature to want to self-preserve. (I would like to think I would die for my wife and daughter.) I do not believe Winston is shot dead physically in the end. I believe he is metaphorically dead, though, of course. He betrayed Julia, he believes 2+2=5, and he loves Big Brother. Amazing conclusion of despair.
The last 100 pages of the book were the most exciting part of the whole novel. Who would have guessed that O’Brian and Mr. Charrington were members of the thought police who had been watching Winston and his every move for the last seven years? As Winston was thrown into Room 101 and his worst fear I was trying to think of what mine would be and I came to the conclusion that it is my family and friends being tortured and then killed directly in front of me. I still don’t understand why once Winston and Julia meet in the park they acted like they could never be friends any more. It was also kind of creepy how Winston just followed her…But now Winston lives a dull life of just sitting at the café and working when ever he wants to. Do you think that maybe he regrets going against the Party and wishes he just would have conformed to what the Party wanted him to be? Because it’s not like he really accomplished any thing…
I thought the last 100 pages of the novel weren't that interesting. I predicted that Mr. Charrington was somehow a bad guy in the novel. I turned out right in that he was part of the thought police. I thought Julia was going to be some kind of bad person also but I was inaccurate on that account. I kind of thought Winston would get captured. But I also thought that he would end up escaping with Julia and live happily ever after. I guess I kind of knew what was going to happen in ways but in other ways I didn't know who or what was going to happen.
I thought the book really started to get interesting after Winston and Julia are arrested by the Thought Police. In the Ministry of Love we really see the inner structure and motives of the Party. At first Winston thinks O'Brien is a prisoner too but soon finds out that he's really there to torture and "cure" Winston. In the last 100 pages the reader can begin to understand how the Party can influence and ultimately destroy people and their individualism. Winston and Julia both betrayed each other and become brainwashed. They are not released by the Ministry of Love until they love Big Brother which Winston now openly states he does. I think the ending was very appropriate even though I hoped either Winston or Julia would have stayed strong in their beliefs. It makes one think hard on governments and how we can prevent this from happening in our country and any other country because no one wants to live like the book "1984".
I thought the last 100 pages were not exactly as I had pictured. I did not foresee Mr. Charrington being a thought police. When he first came into the story one would have really thought he would have been a minor character, not the person who changes the entire plot. Something else I did not foresee was Winston and Julia type of treatment in the Ministry of Love. I just could not believe that these people could really be treated like that. You hear of horror stories in real life, but you never believe them. It is just amazing how humans can treat each other. The last thing about this book is why do they let Winston and Julia loose? And on top of that why do they let them have contact with each other. For a nation that like to keep an eye on their party members, why would they let them have time to talk to each other? It is just a weird ending, letting two thought criminals have conversation together.
Reading the end of 1984 is like waiting to hit concrete ground moments after you trip. You know inevitably you'll hit the ground, but still fear the end and the associated pain. Yet, you keep falling, or reading, until you’re there. 1984 was an anxious read, especially in predicting the end and feeling overwhelmed with a mix of dread and excitement when Winston is finally arrested. Orwell did a great job of connected me to the novel, because I felt nervous for Winston and Julia's arrest, the torture scenes, the betrayal, and Winston's death. I love the ending, because it completes the book's original purpose - we can't allow the government to completely control our lives, for if we do, our lives are made either artificial or forgotten. There is no other ending to describe the world's fate. 1984 must end tragically, otherwise it wouldn't be the famous political catalyst it has become.
I really enjoyed reading the last 100 pages of the book. I thought that it ended just like it began...a little confusing but making you want to know more. I was also able to pick up on some foreshadowing that was mentioned earlier in the book. For example, when Winston first entered Mr. Charrington's house, he noticed they were no telescreens; Charrington did however have a telescreen, it was just hidden behind a picture because Charrington is a member of the ThoughtPolice. One thing I did not like about the ending is that I felt like it ended real suddenly. I was expecting that there would be more about Winston being brainwashed but instead he was vaporized.
Reading the last part of 1984 shows how the outlook is bleak. Orwell makes some points and statements years ago that have become too true today. We all have Room 101's. As much as we hate to admit it we're all afraid. In a lot of ways the world is closing in around us and it makes us question our own fears. Who's to trust? We try to trust people and we find out otherwise. Like Charrington and the Inner Party, governments across the world have their eyes and ears closer to us than ever before. There are plenty of backs to be stabbed, and we love Big Brother.
McKenzie--The Party lets Winston and Julia loose because they have both been "rehabilitated" and are no longer thought criminals at all! They are totally convinced zombies, shells of their former selves. They betrayed each other, and, in doing so, gave up their rights, feelings, emotions, thoughts, freedoms, and humanity. They are perfect citizens now: totally controlled.
Liz--Great concrete metaphor!
Cody--Winston has been totally brainwashed. And he is not exactly vaporized, because he is not killed. He still exists as a perfect party member. The bullet he feels is a metaphorical one, not an actual one. In the end, he is sitting and drinking, totally, sadly, and morbidly zombified.
Isn't the torture unbearable to read? O'Brien really does a number on poor Winston. And you know Julia got it just as bad! Rats eating your face, esophagus, heart, intestines, lungs--would be hard not to betray, wouldn't it?
Nate--Terrific question! I don't think Winston has the ability to regret anything at this point. Regret is a feeling, and Winston has none left, it seems. "Knowing" what he knows now, I too wonder what he would have done. I'm reminded of the big question: Is it better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all? Is Winston glad he had the affair with Julia, then became brainwashed? I don't think he has the capacity for gladness anymore!
Betrayal is among the most significant of behaviors. If you betray a trust, everything can crumble. Have you seen betrayal? Isn't it permanently remembered by the betrayer and the betrayed? Isn't it permanently remembered by others who hear of the betrayal?
In the end of the book you find out that both Charrington and O'Brien are thought police and secret agent like characters. Winston and julia a ra cought and tortured. Julia gives up very easily and rats out Winston , but winston doesnt give up so easily and he finally gives julia up when his biggest fear of all is put in his face...Rats. I really thought that his fear would be something bigger that rats. But i dont under stand for sure if winston had actually died or not.
The last one-hundred pages of the book were definetly more exciting than the beginning of the book. In the beginning it was like repeating the same stuff over and over again. But in the end I discovered that Winston didnt get to fulfill his dream of living a normal life with Julia. Instead he and Julia are captured by the thought police and tortured to death. Overall I thought the ending was ok but I wish Winston and Julia did not get captured and they could get away with what they were doing.
The last hundred pages were actually interesting so it was easier to read. Torture is one of the worst things. I have always had difficulty watching torture movies and reading about tortured people. When I finished the book, I had a dream that I wasn't allowed to think about things and it kept me up because I didn't want to be tortured. I really hope that the world never becomes like that...ruling us with fear and hatred. I hope I never have to face whatever room 101 would hold for me. I could never imagine being tortured to the point of wishing someone I love to take the pain for me. I believe that to have the ability to think for ourselves is so important in developing the future and if that was taken away, the world would be chaos.
I think that the last 100 pages were the most exciting of the entire novel. Winstons torture brought much excitement to my eyes but at the same time it made me cringe. I hate to see things or people get tortured but it makes things exciting with everything else being boring. I did not like the ending of the book however because he ended up giving into the party. I think that it would have been much better if Winston was just shot rebelling by hooking back up with Julia, his love.
After they got cought by the telescreen behind the painting, the story just seemed to go down hill. The ending was just stupid in my opinion, I didnt really like it at all. From the beining one could have guessed that Winston was going to die. The part of the book that I enjoyed most was the middle when the love story took place. The ending is just blah, I think that Orwell was just finishing up the book and trying to tie everything together and something is missing. Otherwise 1984 wasent too bad of a book although it was harder to understand.
The ending of this book was very predictable, especially since it is a book written by Orwell. Orwell’s book Animal Farm has the same type of structure as this and with a similar ending of evil defeating good. Overall, I thought the ending was dumb as it builds up the entire book with Winston having the dream of defeating Big Brother but in the end only to have him love him. I thought the beginning of the novel was much better as it talked about the entire society of the world and about how it is run. It is the more philosophical part of the novel which I enjoyed more.
I think that the end of the book was kinda of shocking but then again it was predictable also. Of course Julia and Winston were going to get caught sooner or later but you didnt know that in the end he would not have been killed but turned to love Big Brother. It was a good ending but again predictable. I think that the end of the book is probably the best part. The beginning dragged on and on about things that were related but were boring. Overall-good book!
The last part of the book, like in any other story, was what allowed Orwell to make his point. Everything lead up to the capture. I pretty sure most people knew it was coming but the way Orwell wrote it with such eliquence really made people understand his views on which way society was moving. I have to say my favorite part of the book is when Winston is put in front of the three way mirror to gaze on his skeleton-like figure. It was so eerie but that's what made the description fantastic. You are enveloped into his emotions, almost as if you are actually the one who was standing there. The final sentence really ends the book well though. It demonstrates how completely broken down Winston's mind is.
The ending was actually an enjoyment to read because it was so interesting and made me not want to set my book down. I knew all along that Winston would eventually get caught with his thought crimes, I just didn't know when or what would happen to him. I think it is sad how they tortured Winston with the rats because they knew he had a phobia of rats. It's sad how he was brainwashed by fear into giving into the party. I wish he would have rebelled and tried to save the world rather than fall into the trap. I suppose that's impossible since it was the world against him. I really hope that the world never becomes anything near the way it is in 1984. I hope I never have to be threatened with something as the characters toward room 101. It shocked me how Winston wanted Julia to take the pain for him; that's how bad the torture was. I believe that non-conformity and self-individuality shapes the world and that if something like 1984 were to ever happen and we had that taken away from each individual person, our world would be dull and eventually lead to the chaos that is depicted in this novel.
The ending of the marvelous 1984 was way different than I expected. The book was hard to put down after Winston and Julia were arrested and tortured by the Thought Police. I found it interesting that Julia gave in instantly but Winston stood it out. I never would have guessed rats in a face cage would be Winston’s worst fear. I didn’t expect Mr. Charrington to end up as the thought police. Also it was weird how it didn’t have the typical movie ending where Winston would die for what he believes but looses the battle against Big Brother.
The last 100 pages of 1984 I would have to say were the most intense part of the book. There was both suspense, and torture. I could never imagine being in Winsten's position of starvation, electric shock torture, and extreme interigation. Throughout reading about Winsten's experience in the Ministry of Love I thought he would stay strong with his beliefs that Big Brother is the enemy. It is fascinating to me how a person can be changed mentally through ways of torture. I still do not really understand how that can happen, even though I have not been in that position, how someone can totally change there way of thinking through physical pain. Even though the novel says that Winsten is totally brain washed into loving Big Brother, and that that is the only reason he was released, I could see in his future him having his own thoughts again and going against Big Brother. To me I believe that if you think one thing you will never forget it, even if someone basically "pounded" information in you making you believe whatever they wanted you to believe. That is why I think the ending of 1984 was a decent ending, but I would have much rather had it end where Winsten conviced them that he was brain washed, and then goes on saying that he later begins to think his own thoughts again.
I think the last 100 pages were the best part of the book. To be honest I would gladly skip the first 236 pages and just read the ending. The torture scenes were really confusing but also compelling. I did not get how long he was in the ministry of love, and what they were all doing to him and how often. But I it was good none the less. He wrote it really graphic too which helped get my excitement going. I was very surprised by the ending and I didn’t like it that much either, but I found myself thinking about it more and more and changed my mind. You cant defeat big brother they will always win.
I think that the conclusion of 1984was fitting to the rest of the book. Once you figure out that Goldstein and the Book are fabrications made by the Party it would be very unlikly that there was any hope of Winston and Julia being able to be together. I'm actually a little suprised that they let them live. If I was being tortured I probley would have done the same thing Winston did but if they did let me go I would get weapons or something and would go down swinging taking as much of the Party with me as possible. I think that Orwell did the right thing when he gave this book the ending it has because if things did get this bad there would be no hope of it ever changing. In order to stop something like Big Brother you must never let Big Brother gain control. Overall I enjoyed the novel and learned a great deal about society now and what society has the horrible potential to become.
I thought the end of the novel put a twist on the book. I thought that Charrington was a thought police but I didn't know for sure. The whole Winston, Julia part surprised me also. I thought that they were both going to vaporized in the end. I can't even imagine if someone were to torture me how Winston was tortured. Even thought Winston belives in Big Brother and understands him, he is still his own person on the inside.
The ending 100 pages of the book were very interesting, and a quite a curve ball. Charrington's betrayal really makes a person realize how much the thought police are actually present in their society. When they are taken, I thought that they would be "vaporized" but it was surprising what they did to them. That kind of torture was very corrupt, but it works, in the end it says that Winston truly loves Big Brother, when in the beginning of the book he hated big brother. I think that this really emphasizes how Big Brothers power.
The last 100 pages were very exciting! I was having a hard time following through the whole Goldstein book, but once that was over, it was a downhill read from there. I guess I should have figured Charrington was in on all of this the entire time. Julia and Winston had to be caught sooner or later. What shocks me most is how if Winston loved Julia so much why would he give in to the pressure and want her to be tortured? And why if he was so dead set on hating big brother and being killed, why did he give in to that also and go back to being brain washed and devoted to the party
I did not like the last 100 pages. It seems that all they went through was for nothing at all. Though you knew that they would be caught in what they were doing you hoped that they would get away with it in order to make life a better situation. There is also the fact that it does not seem that they had any impact on those around them since they kept quite. All they have to show for their efforts is being just another brainwashed party member. Though it seems that if they really wanted to do something they would not have turned each other in but stand strong for what they did while they rebelled.
Tara--Winston is not his own person on the inside! He is totally, utterly controlled and "rehabilitated." He can never thought-rebel again; he will never have feelings, emotions, thoughts, or ideas of his own again. That is Orwell's dystopic message.
the last 100 pages of 1984 i thought was really good. at first it was confusing but i read it agin and it made more since. i thought it was a great twist and i liked the torture and the betrayl. it was really interesting that he became completely brainwashed to believe that 2+2=5. it showes truely the power big brother has. orwells way of finishing the story was quite sucessfull. he got his point around that if we let one person have total control that this could happen. overall good book.
I enjoyed the book overall and it sent a good message, but I didn't like how in the end Winston "wins" the victory against himself, he now loves big brother. That just gives me the impression that after trying to so long to change what is going on, it is all going to end up in failure just like Winston did. This book helps us see how bad the world can come if we let it become corrupt, but in no way does it show how to prevent it from becoming that way, and if it ever did, it gives us no hope to change everything because Winston and so many other people were deicieved and zombiefied after such a long battle.
At first I didn't really like the book 1984. As I read on I started to think about the book some more and understand what Orwell was trying to get everyone to understand. I didn't really like how to book ended. It would have been more interesting if Julia and Winston would have met up with some more people like themselves and formed a group to rebel against Big Brother. In reality those groups that form are really the ones that end up taking back their lives and overthrowing governments that are some what like the communist Big Brother's. Being a history lover and going to get a degree in history, this book really helped me in the understanding of communist/totalitarian governments.
The last one hundred pages were very intense and nail biting. I could not put down the book and kept on reading. I kind of figured that something would be in the room, becuase I thought the rat in the room earlier on was a little bit of foreshadowing. But I never would of thought that There would be a telescreen behind the wall. Also I never would of guessed that O'Brien would be teh one that turned in Julia and Winston. I didn't quite understand the ending at fist I thought he got shot, but after Mr. C's schooling I realize he is brain dead but just floating in the air.
i hate open endings because i would like to know what happens and i would have liked to know how long winston got to stay alive before he walked down the corridor with the skylights and gets shot in the back of the head. i am going to use the metaphor of the flower growing from the sidewalk crack....the flower (winston) grows from the concrete with nobody around to help him...just things trying to prevent his growth and he had to live on his own fearing everyone because he could be killed so easily. he grew and grew from the concrete until one day the sun got too hot (obrien caught him and julia in charringtons shop) and he wilted away (he became a full pledged member of the party, not able to think or act for himself anymore) and eventually he died on the inside, unable to be emotional...and eventually he literally died and was put out of his misery
Like Lee I was not interested in this book at the beginning of it. However as i approach the end it is one thousand times more exciting and entertaining. I have heard that the end of this book leaves many questions for us to decide the answers to. I love this because we all have different views and ways of interpereting books and with a book like this we must respect and listen to everyone because none of us know the true answer. I believe that Winston will betraye Julia while he is being tortured but I will have to keep reading to find out.
I was really quite surprised at the end of the book. I was expecting Winston to keep rebelling and for him to become a head member of the rebellion and I was surprised when he was captured and began to love Big Brother. I also found it very ironic that Parsons was in there because he raised his kids to good. I guess the book makes sense in making the book end the way it does because he wanted us to know what it would be like in the future and this is probably how it would end
Sara--Winston does not literally die, is not literally shot. He lives as a perfect example of reintegration; he is the perfect citizen for the Party now.
I guess you could substantiate your argument if you really tried--you could say he is shot in the end and back up your argument with textual examples. Trying to keep interpretations open...
The last 100 pages of this novel where so exciting to read because I was cheering for Winston that he would not betray Julia. It was good to see that all the way though the book there was at least hope that Big Brother could fall because with hope so much is possible but if you take all hope away from someone they lose every thing and that would be a very scary and dark place to be in. At the end you really see how strong Big Brother really is and that he can take what ever he wants away from you. He can never die. I am so thankful that there is so much thought crime going on all over the world so this book does not become reality. Every one has to keep it in the back of there minds if we do not keep a tight grip on are government they will keep seeking more and more power and that is what could lead to the down fall of the United States and to the world.
I was a little disappointed with the ending of 1984. My thought throughout the book was that Winston and Julia were going to join the Brotherhood and then either get rid of the Big Brother society or escape from the Big Brother society. I thought this way because of all the thoughtcrimes he had and it would just go to show that if people continue to have minds of their owns and do not conform for everything that a society tells you this should not happen. But the actual ending of the book shows that even when you do have your own thoughts they still might be able to conform you to their standards, or as they say make you a perfect citizen. (I don't know of a good metaphor to describe my feelings)
The end of the book is good but i was in hope for winston to be against the party still. He seemed to fail at what he was trying to do in the whole book, which was to secretly fight "Big Brother" in his own way. What I really didn't like was when they threatened winston with the rats, or how he claimed he loved Julia but yet wanted her to take the torture for him. The torture must have been so bad to have him forget his love for her which is quite sad. It also shows that no matter how hard you try no matter what you can not defeat big brother. Which is kind of scarry because if that happens in our world today, we won't be able to defeat him either...
I thought the last hundred pages were very interesting but it is kind of like he was trying to finish the book in a hurry and he left alot of questions to be answered, but maybe that is whtat he was going for. Im confused as to whether Winston dies or dreams he dies or in fact a part of him dies. i just wish he was more complete with his ending giving us something to think about rather than focusing all our attention on what actually happens to Winston. In my opinion i think it could have been finished better but overall it was an interesting fun book that got me thinking.
I thought that the resolution of the novel was a little dissapointing. I was hoping that Winston and Julia would stick together and fight against Big Brother. I was also hoping that there really was a Brotherhood and that they would overthrow the dictatorship and return things to the way they were before the war. At the same time Orwell did a good job of getting his point of death and destruction across to the reader. The ending was superb in a way because Winston finally succumbed to the will of the party and to loving Big Brother.
The last part of the book was very amazing it was a great ending to a great novel. When we first met O'Brien I had a very bad feeling that he was a huge Big Brother supporter and that he was very high in the party. But I really wanted to see O'Brien let Winston go because the Brotherhood would have been real and very effective but I do not think that would fit Orwell's style for this book to give Winston the ending that he would hope for. I was in complete shock that Charrington was a member of the thought police but I guess that is just another great George Orwell twist that he put on this book.
I thoght the last pages were riviting, gripping, and won of literatures great masterpieces. I couldn't put the book down until I finished it. This novel keeps the reader guessing until you get to room 101. I was shocked when Charrington was a undercover thought police;that just goes to show you can't trust anyone in Oceiana. This might sound stupid and erelevent but I thought that the ending was similar to Nurse Ratched. Julia and Winston are examples of what will happen if you try to buck the party (i.e.:RPM).Julia and Winston didn't get vaporized because now they are perfect Party members. Winston didn't really get shot in the head it is a metaphor. People that get shot in the head die instently. Even though he is living he is dead in-side. Torture can effect you physicologically and physically. My torture is just like Winston Smith's. Rats are vicious and brutial. They will bite his face of and go into his body until they get to his heart. It takes alot of guts to say "Do it to Julia"! Would you take the torture or would you beg for mercy and have someone you love go though that. Orwell is a genius when it comes to descriptive writing. He portrays the scene so well. The ending made me think about life in the present and the future.
I really hated the end of the book. I thought it was drawn out, and I can understand why it is so drawn out, but it was still boring. I really thought Winston was going to die, for real, not just on the inside like he did. I think that the resolution was pretty weak, and I don't feel like anything was solved. I think that's also the point of the book, Winston is left with a dead end, and is hollowed out inside. Winston betrays Julia, and now has none of his questions answered.
I thought the last 100 pages were very interesting. I couldn't believe that Winston would betray Julia. Throughout the entire book he was saying that whatever they do they would not betray one another, and he ends up betraying herself and in ways himself. I was hoping throughout the book that Mr. Charrington would end up a good guy, but in ways I knew that he was going to end up bad. I had thought that Julia was a thought police, and I was surprised that she wasn't. I knew that O'Brien was bad from the start. He was just to suspicious throughout the book.
I thought that the last 100 pages were hte most exciting pages in hte book. i felt that the first 200 pages were really just to prepare us for this ending. I thought the most intense part of hte book was when Winston was brought into room 101. The rats would freak me out. I really hope America can prevent a dystopia or at least kill all the rats. The book is stretching it a little bit but i think it could happen. When WInston goes back to conformity it is like when highschoolers try to be the like everyone else...Winston does the same. It is also the same becuase winston will go through pain if he doesn't conform. If highschoolers don't conform they are also put through pain. They arn't 'cool', they get picked on. Anyways this is a good book and i enjoyed hte ending.
The last 100 pages of 1984 are an extremely critical part of the novel. I noticed that 1rockz said that Orwell thought he was, "finishing up the story as fast as he can." The fact that Winston questioned the brotherhood so much was very ironic because he ended up being right. I liked the book because it seems more realistic to not have a happy ending because life does not always have a happy ending.78 I was a little confused about if Julia and Winston were going to stay together....
The ending wasn’t like what I had thought it would be like, I thought that Winston might have made some sort of victory, he did make a victory but it’s not what I had predicted. It was interesting at the part when Winston was in room 101, I was surprised at the torture and how severe it was, but also how it was not really that physically stressing. I was also surprised to find out about Charrington, it was a little creepy. I was also sad to find out about O’Brien and how he was actually a member and devoted to Big Brother, I was hopeing that he would have been on Winstons side somehow. Over all I really enjoyed the book and the ending was good but not what I had expected. Winston gets caught and “cured,” but I wonder if he still has thoughts of rebellion. It was also confusing about Winston being shot in the end, it kind of left us wondering, I wasn’t sure if he was shot or not.
The ending of 1984 depressed me alot. It felt like all my dreams were crushed and or taken away from me. I don't think that anyone wanted him to get cault or to cave under the preasure of Big-Brother. I wanted him to fight for what he believed it. It made me think alot. I really didn't expect Julia to give him up that easily and to turn her back. I wanted Winston the keep his sanity through it all and to be able to hook up again with Julia. But on the other hand i wanted him to die for his crime or to not go out without a fight .... die for what he believed in.
It is my feeling that the ending of 1984 is suitable for what George Orwell was afraid of. In Orwell’s fear there would not be a happy ending; it is a total dystopia. Being completely brainwashed and unable to have thoughts of your own, that is true control. Working in an assisted living home I’m slightly frightened of becoming like some of the residents: unable to recall what a hamburger is. Our mind is our greatest asset and it is important to be in control of it. The metaphor that O’Brien uses “the future is a boot stamping on a human head forever” is probably exactly how Winston feels at the conclusion of 1984. If I were to create a metaphor to describe my feeling towards the end of 1984 it would be, “individuality is life, without is society dies”.
I thought the book really started to get interesting after Winston and Julia are arrested by the Thought Police. In the Ministry of Love we really see the inner structure and motives of the Party, not just us thinking what actually goes on in their; myself personally I do not want to know half the stuff our government does because I would be very dissatisfied, but back to the topic. At first Winston thinks O'Brien is a prisoner too but soon finds out that he's really there to torture and cure Winston. In the last 100 pages the reader can begin to understand how the Party can influence and ultimately destroy people and their individualism. Winston and Julia both betrayed each other and become fully brainwashed. They are not released by the Ministry of Love until they love Big Brother which Winston now openly states he does. I think the ending was very appropriate even though I hoped either Winston or Julia would have stayed strong in their beliefs. It makes one think hard on governments and how we can prevent this from happening in our country and any other country because no one wants to live like the book "1984".
I thought the 100 pages of the book were very intersting. I was surprised when Charrington and O'Brien had been watching him and what not over the years. I thought that Winston and Julia would find a way to be together but at the same time I knew it wasn't going to happen because of how depressing the book really is. I think perhaps that Winston was not technically shot in the head but he died from what he used to be into someone that the Party would be able to control 100% because he had become completely brainwashed. Overall, I thought this book was very good.
In the final pages, you see the full effect Big Brother has on everyone that socity. Much different than ours, I can see how Orwell could fear or foresee a future such as in "1984". I'd wonder if he would think that if he were alive now, to see how similar our socity and the one in the novel are alike. I was fully hoping that Winston would stay strong and not become zombified, and the same with Julia. But that is not the case, the not only betray themselves but each other. Wishing such torture and pain to each other. I never even thought that the shop owner could be a member of the "Thought Police", he done a very good job being secretive about it and actully having a telescreen behind a picture of an old church. All and all it was a good ending to a book I did not really care for.
I also thought the last 100+ pages of the book were pretty interesting. mainly for the fact that winston gave up on his personal rebellion and gave into big brother. I just think that its amazing that someone who was so passionate about one thing would just give it up. people every day die for things they believe in fully so its just hard to see a character of winstons nature just leave it be and give up on his love and his cause because of his fears. it just makes you think that maybe he just in a way lusted for things he could not have and later found out that these things were not exactly what he wanted... overall though i found it opened up some more feelings within myself that i never paid attention to as much making this book well worth the read.
I feel that the last 100 pages are just Orwell's way of finishing up his side story.Much different than ours, I can see how Orwell could fear or foresee a future such as in "1984". I was surprised when Charrington and O'Brien had been watching him and what not over the years. I always figured that Winston and Julia would find a way to be together and everything would work out just perfect. I didn't ever expect there to be a telescreen in their "secret" meeting spot. And I always thought that the brotherhood would break through. This book made me take a look at my life and relize how much worse our government could be.
I thought that the last 100 pages of the book were definitely the most intense part of the novel. I was dumbfounded when we learned that Charrington was part of the Thought Police and that O'Brien was part of the Ministry of Love the entire time. It also shocked me when Winston and Julia betrayed each other because of the pack they made to not betray each other. The way I say it was anyone who was released from the Ministry of Love was really dead and that the ones who never returned were the ones who stood up for what they believed in and were willing to lose their lives for what they believed in.
I thought that in the ending of the book 1984 there were some rather graphic parts. At which consisted of rats and there flailing attempt to take out Winstons face, this came as much surprise to me that someone can take an everyday thing, such as the rat, and make it into a destroyer and something that even the bravest of men would fear. But there was great symbolization in the ending also i found it sort of ironic that Winston and Julia didnt even see eachother at the end but yet they both found reason within themselves to betray one another against the grounds of the Brotherhood. All in all i would easily place this book as one of my favorites, for i love politics and government and its a change of pace to really look at what the future might bestow on us. Thank you for giving me the chance to read something so life changing.
I think that the last 100 pages were better than the beginning of the book. I think that the people would have to be brainwashed to torture someone else. I was surprised when Winston would rather have Julia get eaten by the rats than himself. I thought that Winston would have been vaporized but he was let go because he confessed his loyalty to Big Brother. I think that Winston still has his own thoughts, he keeps them inside instead of getting caught be the thought police again.
I never really got into this book but i thought that the last 100 pages were better then the beginning of the book. I was suprised to find out that Charrington was a part of the Thought Police. When Winston betrayed Julia i was shocked because Winston told Julia that no matter what happened they wouldnt betray one another. And i wasnt to suprised when winston was caught commiting thouht crimes becase he did it so often that he was bound to get in trouble. All in all the book was okay, not my favorite but it was interesting after i got into it.
I thought that the last 100 pages of George Orwell's 1984 were really intense. I couldn’t stop reading it! The line that reads "I was staring at a member of the Thought Police" gives me goosebumps every time I read it. The way they get people to admit to things they have never done is frustrating and amazing at the same time. The part where it talked about the rats eating Winston's face off made my whole body squirm. It was kind of disappointing, however, that he got brainwashed in the end.
I thought the last 100 pages of the book were very interesting. I didn’t think that Winston would give up and give in to the party. I find it interesting that he was so dedicated to being against the part and then he just gave up all that dedication and now loves big brother. This book can help us see how the can become corrupt, but it doesn’t show us how to prevent this from happening to us. I was bored with the beginning of the book but once i got to the last 100pages I couldn’t stop reading it. I was surprised when both Winston and Julia betrayed each other. I was disappointed in the end when he ended up getting brainwashed.
The ending was different than i thought it would be. I never thought he would be brain washed enough to keep loving big brother over julia. I think it is interesting what people will do to avoid pain, like telling them to torture someone else instead of them. I think that everyone has a point where they will give up being tortured, for someone else. knowone is that strong to hold that much pain. I do believe that some people hold pain better than others, but that doesnt mean they dont feel it, they can just hide it to show that it doesnt hurt when really it does.
The last 100 pages of the book were interesting. Orwell left a lot of questions unanswered. It almost seemed as if he ran out of time to finish his side of the story completley. It also shows the power big brother atcually had over the people, he literally made people betray the ones they love, which i think is completey uncomprehendable. The ending of the book was intresting.
I think Orwell could have put more thought into the final chapters. It reads like he finished his allegory to human nature and then needed to finish the plot, so he picked the fastest way to do it and just ran with it. The beginning of the book makes O'Brian out to be a potential ally of Winston's but turns out to be a double angent. What?! Also, Winston and Julia are returned to society, but I think Orwell missed a big fundamental of human nature: I dont think that the two would have been able to be brainwashed as they have been in the book. Final Thoughts: Mediocre ending to a decent book.
I did not enjoy the first part of the book but when I got to the last pages I found myself very angry with Winston. I was proud of him for sticking to his morals and hating big brother but then i just despised him for betraying julia and then starting to like big brother. I absolutely hated Winston when in the end he decided to submit to Big brother and love him. Winston is not who i thought he was.
i didnt like the ending of the book. i thought that the middle of the book was way more interesting than the end of it. it is like orwell is just trying to tie up all of the lose ends. the ending looks dull. I think that in the end, Winston kind of likes being under the control of the party. He doesnt have to do the laborous task of thinking for himself anymore, everything is just set out for him to follow along with, and in the end that is okay with him.
The conclusion of 1984 was the best part of the book, other than the secret love affair between Winston and Julia. At the end when he was being tortured is was almost painful to read but very intense. When Winston went to room 101 it made me think, what would be my ultimate terror. I hated when Winston said he loved Big Brother. I thought he would turn out different from all the others that just conformed to the party. I understand Orwell did this to make a point but it just kind of makes you lose hope for Oceania. I think some of the concepts are pretty heavy, but we can still understand and learn from it with help from Mr. C.
I thought the last one hundred pages of the book were a lot more interesting that the beginning. I thought it was more interesting because there was more action. The beginning of the book focused mainly on the thoughts of different characters. The ending, however, showed Winston being captured by the thought police. He was then tortured by some rats. It was amazing to see how brainwashed some of the characters had become. Winston was so brainwashed that he told the thought police to torture Julia instead of his self. Many other characters also preferred that other be tortured instead of themselves. Overall, I thought the ending sent an impactful message to the readers on just how bad the sitution really was.
The end of the book surprised me alot. I never thought Winston would wish his punishment on Julia the one he supposidly loved. By doing this it shows how brain washed they really are. They say they care about someone so much but when it comes down to it, if they can get out of it they will. It also surprised me how Winston, after all of this, just goes back to his daily life almost as if nothing happened. I would be devistated for the rest of my life and wouldnt be able to function correctly.
The end of the book was not what i expected it to be. I didnt think that the book would end with him turning to the party the way he did. he ends up completely lolyal to the party. i thought for sure he would get "vaporized". i didnt see that coming at all. it shows that the party can transform anyone and everyone is completely powerless. even the two people that try to defy what is happening in the end are more loyal to the party than most of the other people in oceania. the party has total power and will not fall. the world is etenally dull. for a while i thought that he was going to find goldstien or at least the brotherhood, which is now an obious name, and at least get out of ocenia to somewhere. but that is what makes this book so powerful, it shows that the world has fallen into a never ending rut of tyran and constant surveilance. it shows what could happen if we dont do what we need to keep the government in check.
I thought that Winston just caved in from the torture. I don't think he really loved Big Brother, but he had to make the madness stop. The resolution and conclusion are just like calling Sprint's customer service line when you want a simple answer to an important question, a question like is texting part of my plan (this could be really costly if it wasn't). You begin the call believing the answer is soon to come, but you get the automated fake voice that just keeps asking more questions. That's how the book left me, a little frustrated with the lack of answers to question: Was there really a rebellion, or was it just staged. Did Big Brother really control the world the whole time and just stage a war? There were so many questions I thought about when I was reading that made me want to ask more questions. The last 100 pages left me hanging.
I think the way orwell ended the book is almost the only way he could have ended it and still made it a classic novel. He doesn't tell us outright whether big brother, goldstein or the brotherhood really exsists. By ending with Winston becoming completely and totally brain washed he want to send the message to us the readers that this government has so much control it can take the worst of the thought criminals and turn them back to big brother worshiping zombies just like that. By doing this he leaves us thinking and contemplating about our own lives and on own government wondering if such a thing like this is really possible. Over all I thought the best part of this novel was by far the final 100 pages, it had suspense and unexpected turns and at the end still leaves you hanging wanting more and answers which to me is what makes a book good.
I'm not going to lie, I was not a huge fan of this book. O'Brien tortured Winston horribly for not saying that 2+2=5 instead of four when obrien was holding up four fingers. I found whatever O'Brien was doing with that dial and needle thing very disturbing. I do feel that the last sentence left a cliffhanger at the end. I personally think that everything they did is wrong. Taking control over everyone and everything. Telling people what they can and can't eat and so on and so forth. I'll admit that I barely read this book.
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I feel that the last 100 pages are just Orwell's way of finishing up his side story. After the chapters in "the book", Orwell has gotten out his side of the political agenda, and now the rest of the plot is just finishing up the story as fast as he can. O'Brian turns out to be a double agent... But that would mean he would have to use critical thinking skills, think for himself, and understand the ideas and theories of Goldstein. This would make him too smart for his own good, and he would not be allowed to live. However, the book did include some more controversial parts near the end... Is Winston ever really free or is he dreaming about the bar, Julia, and the rest of his "freedom". Does Winston really die in the end or is it just his rebellious and free side that is being killed? The book had a pretty good finish overall, leaving many open ended questions for discussion.
The ending was good overall. I was hoping that it would end up where Winston would be free and be against the Party. If that would have happened then it would have defeated the whole purpose of the book, to not let that horrible of a thing ever happen. I didn’t expect Julia and Winston to meet each other again, it was interesting. At the end Winston could pretty much do what ever he wanted. I thought it was crazy that Winston said he could kiss her and meet with her again and nobody would care. I wasn’t sure if Winston actually did get shot at the end. The end was very interesting, I wanted to get to the very end to find out whether he survived or not.
I thought the last 100 pages of 1984 were very interesting and had a great twist on the whole novel. I never would've expected both Mr. Charrington and O'Brien to be Thought Police and part of the Inner Party patrol. I didn't quite understand the whole questioning and captivity thing with Winston. Like how long he was held there and how often O'Brien questioned him. I was also surprised to know that Winston's greatest fear was rats. I thought it would be worse than that. And I found it surprising how he could give up Julia to save himself so easily. And then when he got released...I didn't get why nobody cared or monitored what Winson did in public. He was able to meet Julia again (which I believed O'Brien had killed her). And then from my understanding, Winston was shot by a soldier following behind him, even though he did become cured and praised/loved Big Brother.
O'Brien is a major Inner Party member. Charrington is a professional undercover Thought Policeman (it is likely that all the Thought Police members, men and women, work undercover). They caught Winston like a rat in a cage. They catch many people like Winston, I think. Winston is held in captivity for quite a while, it seems. A few months? O'Brien really works him over and "rehabilitates" him through physical and emotional abuse. Winston is constantly tortured and humiliated until he cannot withstand it. The decisive moment is when he betrays Julia. Orwell is absolutely right: the point at which you are willing to betray your loved ones is the point you are brainwashed. But maybe it is just human nature to want to self-preserve. (I would like to think I would die for my wife and daughter.) I do not believe Winston is shot dead physically in the end. I believe he is metaphorically dead, though, of course. He betrayed Julia, he believes 2+2=5, and he loves Big Brother. Amazing conclusion of despair.
The last 100 pages of the book were the most exciting part of the whole novel. Who would have guessed that O’Brian and Mr. Charrington were members of the thought police who had been watching Winston and his every move for the last seven years? As Winston was thrown into Room 101 and his worst fear I was trying to think of what mine would be and I came to the conclusion that it is my family and friends being tortured and then killed directly in front of me. I still don’t understand why once Winston and Julia meet in the park they acted like they could never be friends any more. It was also kind of creepy how Winston just followed her…But now Winston lives a dull life of just sitting at the café and working when ever he wants to. Do you think that maybe he regrets going against the Party and wishes he just would have conformed to what the Party wanted him to be? Because it’s not like he really accomplished any thing…
I thought the last 100 pages of the novel weren't that interesting. I predicted that Mr. Charrington was somehow a bad guy in the novel. I turned out right in that he was part of the thought police. I thought Julia was going to be some kind of bad person also but I was inaccurate on that account. I kind of thought Winston would get captured. But I also thought that he would end up escaping with Julia and live happily ever after. I guess I kind of knew what was going to happen in ways but in other ways I didn't know who or what was going to happen.
I thought the book really started to get interesting after Winston and Julia are arrested by the Thought Police. In the Ministry of Love we really see the inner structure and motives of the Party. At first Winston thinks O'Brien is a prisoner too but soon finds out that he's really there to torture and "cure" Winston. In the last 100 pages the reader can begin to understand how the Party can influence and ultimately destroy people and their individualism. Winston and Julia both betrayed each other and become brainwashed. They are not released by the Ministry of Love until they love Big Brother which Winston now openly states he does. I think the ending was very appropriate even though I hoped either Winston or Julia would have stayed strong in their beliefs. It makes one think hard on governments and how we can prevent this from happening in our country and any other country because no one wants to live like the book "1984".
I thought the last 100 pages were not exactly as I had pictured. I did not foresee Mr. Charrington being a thought police. When he first came into the story one would have really thought he would have been a minor character, not the person who changes the entire plot. Something else I did not foresee was Winston and Julia type of treatment in the Ministry of Love. I just could not believe that these people could really be treated like that. You hear of horror stories in real life, but you never believe them. It is just amazing how humans can treat each other. The last thing about this book is why do they let Winston and Julia loose? And on top of that why do they let them have contact with each other. For a nation that like to keep an eye on their party members, why would they let them have time to talk to each other? It is just a weird ending, letting two thought criminals have conversation together.
Reading the end of 1984 is like waiting to hit concrete ground moments after you trip. You know inevitably you'll hit the ground, but still fear the end and the associated pain. Yet, you keep falling, or reading, until you’re there. 1984 was an anxious read, especially in predicting the end and feeling overwhelmed with a mix of dread and excitement when Winston is finally arrested. Orwell did a great job of connected me to the novel, because I felt nervous for Winston and Julia's arrest, the torture scenes, the betrayal, and Winston's death. I love the ending, because it completes the book's original purpose - we can't allow the government to completely control our lives, for if we do, our lives are made either artificial or forgotten. There is no other ending to describe the world's fate. 1984 must end tragically, otherwise it wouldn't be the famous political catalyst it has become.
I really enjoyed reading the last 100 pages of the book. I thought that it ended just like it began...a little confusing but making you want to know more. I was also able to pick up on some foreshadowing that was mentioned earlier in the book. For example, when Winston first entered Mr. Charrington's house, he noticed they were no telescreens; Charrington did however have a telescreen, it was just hidden behind a picture because Charrington is a member of the ThoughtPolice. One thing I did not like about the ending is that I felt like it ended real suddenly. I was expecting that there would be more about Winston being brainwashed but instead he was vaporized.
Reading the last part of 1984 shows how the outlook is bleak. Orwell makes some points and statements years ago that have become too true today. We all have Room 101's. As much as we hate to admit it we're all afraid. In a lot of ways the world is closing in around us and it makes us question our own fears. Who's to trust? We try to trust people and we find out otherwise. Like Charrington and the Inner Party, governments across the world have their eyes and ears closer to us than ever before. There are plenty of backs to be stabbed, and we love Big Brother.
McKenzie--The Party lets Winston and Julia loose because they have both been "rehabilitated" and are no longer thought criminals at all! They are totally convinced zombies, shells of their former selves. They betrayed each other, and, in doing so, gave up their rights, feelings, emotions, thoughts, freedoms, and humanity. They are perfect citizens now: totally controlled.
Liz--Great concrete metaphor!
Cody--Winston has been totally brainwashed. And he is not exactly vaporized, because he is not killed. He still exists as a perfect party member. The bullet he feels is a metaphorical one, not an actual one. In the end, he is sitting and drinking, totally, sadly, and morbidly zombified.
Isn't the torture unbearable to read? O'Brien really does a number on poor Winston. And you know Julia got it just as bad! Rats eating your face, esophagus, heart, intestines, lungs--would be hard not to betray, wouldn't it?
Nate--Terrific question! I don't think Winston has the ability to regret anything at this point. Regret is a feeling, and Winston has none left, it seems. "Knowing" what he knows now, I too wonder what he would have done. I'm reminded of the big question: Is it better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all? Is Winston glad he had the affair with Julia, then became brainwashed? I don't think he has the capacity for gladness anymore!
Betrayal is among the most significant of behaviors. If you betray a trust, everything can crumble. Have you seen betrayal? Isn't it permanently remembered by the betrayer and the betrayed? Isn't it permanently remembered by others who hear of the betrayal?
In the end of the book you find out that both Charrington and O'Brien are thought police and secret agent like characters. Winston and julia a ra cought and tortured. Julia gives up very easily and rats out Winston , but winston doesnt give up so easily and he finally gives julia up when his biggest fear of all is put in his face...Rats. I really thought that his fear would be something bigger that rats. But i dont under stand for sure if winston had actually died or not.
The last one-hundred pages of the book were definetly more exciting than the beginning of the book. In the beginning it was like repeating the same stuff over and over again. But in the end I discovered that Winston didnt get to fulfill his dream of living a normal life with Julia. Instead he and Julia are captured by the thought police and tortured to death. Overall I thought the ending was ok but I wish Winston and Julia did not get captured and they could get away with what they were doing.
The last hundred pages were actually interesting so it was easier to read. Torture is one of the worst things. I have always had difficulty watching torture movies and reading about tortured people. When I finished the book, I had a dream that I wasn't allowed to think about things and it kept me up because I didn't want to be tortured. I really hope that the world never becomes like that...ruling us with fear and hatred. I hope I never have to face whatever room 101 would hold for me. I could never imagine being tortured to the point of wishing someone I love to take the pain for me. I believe that to have the ability to think for ourselves is so important in developing the future and if that was taken away, the world would be chaos.
I think that the last 100 pages were the most exciting of the entire novel. Winstons torture brought much excitement to my eyes but at the same time it made me cringe. I hate to see things or people get tortured but it makes things exciting with everything else being boring. I did not like the ending of the book however because he ended up giving into the party. I think that it would have been much better if Winston was just shot rebelling by hooking back up with Julia, his love.
After they got cought by the telescreen behind the painting, the story just seemed to go down hill. The ending was just stupid in my opinion, I didnt really like it at all. From the beining one could have guessed that Winston was going to die. The part of the book that I enjoyed most was the middle when the love story took place. The ending is just blah, I think that Orwell was just finishing up the book and trying to tie everything together and something is missing. Otherwise 1984 wasent too bad of a book although it was harder to understand.
The ending of this book was very predictable, especially since it is a book written by Orwell. Orwell’s book Animal Farm has the same type of structure as this and with a similar ending of evil defeating good. Overall, I thought the ending was dumb as it builds up the entire book with Winston having the dream of defeating Big Brother but in the end only to have him love him. I thought the beginning of the novel was much better as it talked about the entire society of the world and about how it is run. It is the more philosophical part of the novel which I enjoyed more.
I think that the end of the book was kinda of shocking but then again it was predictable also. Of course Julia and Winston were going to get caught sooner or later but you didnt know that in the end he would not have been killed but turned to love Big Brother. It was a good ending but again predictable. I think that the end of the book is probably the best part. The beginning dragged on and on about things that were related but were boring. Overall-good book!
The last part of the book, like in any other story, was what allowed Orwell to make his point. Everything lead up to the capture. I pretty sure most people knew it was coming but the way Orwell wrote it with such eliquence really made people understand his views on which way society was moving. I have to say my favorite part of the book is when Winston is put in front of the three way mirror to gaze on his skeleton-like figure. It was so eerie but that's what made the description fantastic. You are enveloped into his emotions, almost as if you are actually the one who was standing there. The final sentence really ends the book well though. It demonstrates how completely broken down Winston's mind is.
The ending was actually an enjoyment to read because it was so interesting and made me not want to set my book down. I knew all along that Winston would eventually get caught with his thought crimes, I just didn't know when or what would happen to him. I think it is sad how they tortured Winston with the rats because they knew he had a phobia of rats. It's sad how he was brainwashed by fear into giving into the party. I wish he would have rebelled and tried to save the world rather than fall into the trap. I suppose that's impossible since it was the world against him. I really hope that the world never becomes anything near the way it is in 1984. I hope I never have to be threatened with something as the characters toward room 101. It shocked me how Winston wanted Julia to take the pain for him; that's how bad the torture was. I believe that non-conformity and self-individuality shapes the world and that if something like 1984 were to ever happen and we had that taken away from each individual person, our world would be dull and eventually lead to the chaos that is depicted in this novel.
The ending of the marvelous 1984 was way different than I expected. The book was hard to put down after Winston and Julia were arrested and tortured by the Thought Police. I found it interesting that Julia gave in instantly but Winston stood it out. I never would have guessed rats in a face cage would be Winston’s worst fear. I didn’t expect Mr. Charrington to end up as the thought police. Also it was weird how it didn’t have the typical movie ending where Winston would die for what he believes but looses the battle against Big Brother.
The last 100 pages of 1984 I would have to say were the most intense part of the book. There was both suspense, and torture. I could never imagine being in Winsten's position of starvation, electric shock torture, and extreme interigation. Throughout reading about Winsten's experience in the Ministry of Love I thought he would stay strong with his beliefs that Big Brother is the enemy. It is fascinating to me how a person can be changed mentally through ways of torture. I still do not really understand how that can happen, even though I have not been in that position, how someone can totally change there way of thinking through physical pain. Even though the novel says that Winsten is totally brain washed into loving Big Brother, and that that is the only reason he was released, I could see in his future him having his own thoughts again and going against Big Brother. To me I believe that if you think one thing you will never forget it, even if someone basically "pounded" information in you making you believe whatever they wanted you to believe. That is why I think the ending of 1984 was a decent ending, but I would have much rather had it end where Winsten conviced them that he was brain washed, and then goes on saying that he later begins to think his own thoughts again.
I think the last 100 pages were the best part of the book. To be honest I would gladly skip the first 236 pages and just read the ending. The torture scenes were really confusing but also compelling. I did not get how long he was in the ministry of love, and what they were all doing to him and how often. But I it was good none the less. He wrote it really graphic too which helped get my excitement going. I was very surprised by the ending and I didn’t like it that much either, but I found myself thinking about it more and more and changed my mind. You cant defeat big brother they will always win.
I think that the conclusion of 1984was fitting to the rest of the book. Once you figure out that Goldstein and the Book are fabrications made by the Party it would be very unlikly that there was any hope of Winston and Julia being able to be together. I'm actually a little suprised that they let them live. If I was being tortured I probley would have done the same thing Winston did but if they did let me go I would get weapons or something and would go down swinging taking as much of the Party with me as possible. I think that Orwell did the right thing when he gave this book the ending it has because if things did get this bad there would be no hope of it ever changing. In order to stop something like Big Brother you must never let Big Brother gain control. Overall I enjoyed the novel and learned a great deal about society now and what society has the horrible potential to become.
I thought the end of the novel put a twist on the book. I thought that Charrington was a thought police but I didn't know for sure. The whole Winston, Julia part surprised me also. I thought that they were both going to vaporized in the end. I can't even imagine if someone were to torture me how Winston was tortured. Even thought Winston belives in Big Brother and understands him, he is still his own person on the inside.
The ending 100 pages of the book were very interesting, and a quite a curve ball. Charrington's betrayal really makes a person realize how much the thought police are actually present in their society. When they are taken, I thought that they would be "vaporized" but it was surprising what they did to them. That kind of torture was very corrupt, but it works, in the end it says that Winston truly loves Big Brother, when in the beginning of the book he hated big brother. I think that this really emphasizes how Big Brothers power.
The last 100 pages were very exciting! I was having a hard time following through the whole Goldstein book, but once that was over, it was a downhill read from there. I guess I should have figured Charrington was in on all of this the entire time. Julia and Winston had to be caught sooner or later. What shocks me most is how if Winston loved Julia so much why would he give in to the pressure and want her to be tortured? And why if he was so dead set on hating big brother and being killed, why did he give in to that also and go back to being brain washed and devoted to the party
I did not like the last 100 pages. It seems that all they went through was for nothing at all. Though you knew that they would be caught in what they were doing you hoped that they would get away with it in order to make life a better situation. There is also the fact that it does not seem that they had any impact on those around them since they kept quite. All they have to show for their efforts is being just another brainwashed party member. Though it seems that if they really wanted to do something they would not have turned each other in but stand strong for what they did while they rebelled.
Tara--Winston is not his own person on the inside! He is totally, utterly controlled and "rehabilitated." He can never thought-rebel again; he will never have feelings, emotions, thoughts, or ideas of his own again. That is Orwell's dystopic message.
the last 100 pages of 1984 i thought was really good. at first it was confusing but i read it agin and it made more since. i thought it was a great twist and i liked the torture and the betrayl. it was really interesting that he became completely brainwashed to believe that 2+2=5. it showes truely the power big brother has. orwells way of finishing the story was quite sucessfull. he got his point around that if we let one person have total control that this could happen. overall good book.
I enjoyed the book overall and it sent a good message, but I didn't like how in the end Winston "wins" the victory against himself, he now loves big brother. That just gives me the impression that after trying to so long to change what is going on, it is all going to end up in failure just like Winston did. This book helps us see how bad the world can come if we let it become corrupt, but in no way does it show how to prevent it from becoming that way, and if it ever did, it gives us no hope to change everything because Winston and so many other people were deicieved and zombiefied after such a long battle.
At first I didn't really like the book 1984. As I read on I started to think about the book some more and understand what Orwell was trying to get everyone to understand. I didn't really like how to book ended. It would have been more interesting if Julia and Winston would have met up with some more people like themselves and formed a group to rebel against Big Brother. In reality those groups that form are really the ones that end up taking back their lives and overthrowing governments that are some what like the communist Big Brother's. Being a history lover and going to get a degree in history, this book really helped me in the understanding of communist/totalitarian governments.
The last one hundred pages were very intense and nail biting. I could not put down the book and kept on reading. I kind of figured that something would be in the room, becuase I thought the rat in the room earlier on was a little bit of foreshadowing. But I never would of thought that There would be a telescreen behind the wall. Also I never would of guessed that O'Brien would be teh one that turned in Julia and Winston. I didn't quite understand the ending at fist I thought he got shot, but after Mr. C's schooling I realize he is brain dead but just floating in the air.
i hate open endings because i would like to know what happens and i would have liked to know how long winston got to stay alive before he walked down the corridor with the skylights and gets shot in the back of the head. i am going to use the metaphor of the flower growing from the sidewalk crack....the flower (winston) grows from the concrete with nobody around to help him...just things trying to prevent his growth and he had to live on his own fearing everyone because he could be killed so easily. he grew and grew from the concrete until one day the sun got too hot (obrien caught him and julia in charringtons shop) and he wilted away (he became a full pledged member of the party, not able to think or act for himself anymore) and eventually he died on the inside, unable to be emotional...and eventually he literally died and was put out of his misery
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Like Lee I was not interested in this book at the beginning of it. However as i approach the end it is one thousand times more exciting and entertaining. I have heard that the end of this book leaves many questions for us to decide the answers to. I love this because we all have different views and ways of interpereting books and with a book like this we must respect and listen to everyone because none of us know the true answer. I believe that Winston will betraye Julia while he is being tortured but I will have to keep reading to find out.
I was really quite surprised at the end of the book. I was expecting Winston to keep rebelling and for him to become a head member of the rebellion and I was surprised when he was captured and began to love Big Brother. I also found it very ironic that Parsons was in there because he raised his kids to good. I guess the book makes sense in making the book end the way it does because he wanted us to know what it would be like in the future and this is probably how it would end
Sara--Winston does not literally die, is not literally shot. He lives as a perfect example of reintegration; he is the perfect citizen for the Party now.
I guess you could substantiate your argument if you really tried--you could say he is shot in the end and back up your argument with textual examples. Trying to keep interpretations open...
The last 100 pages of this novel where so exciting to read because I was cheering for Winston that he would not betray Julia. It was good to see that all the way though the book there was at least hope that Big Brother could fall because with hope so much is possible but if you take all hope away from someone they lose every thing and that would be a very scary and dark place to be in. At the end you really see how strong Big Brother really is and that he can take what ever he wants away from you. He can never die. I am so thankful that there is so much thought crime going on all over the world so this book does not become reality. Every one has to keep it in the back of there minds if we do not keep a tight grip on are government they will keep seeking more and more power and that is what could lead to the down fall of the United States and to the world.
I was a little disappointed with the ending of 1984. My thought throughout the book was that Winston and Julia were going to join the Brotherhood and then either get rid of the Big Brother society or escape from the Big Brother society. I thought this way because of all the thoughtcrimes he had and it would just go to show that if people continue to have minds of their owns and do not conform for everything that a society tells you this should not happen. But the actual ending of the book shows that even when you do have your own thoughts they still might be able to conform you to their standards, or as they say make you a perfect citizen. (I don't know of a good metaphor to describe my feelings)
The end of the book is good but i was in hope for winston to be against the party still. He seemed to fail at what he was trying to do in the whole book, which was to secretly fight "Big Brother" in his own way. What I really didn't like was when they threatened winston with the rats, or how he claimed he loved Julia but yet wanted her to take the torture for him. The torture must have been so bad to have him forget his love for her which is quite sad. It also shows that no matter how hard you try no matter what you can not defeat big brother. Which is kind of scarry because if that happens in our world today, we won't be able to defeat him either...
I thought the last hundred pages were very interesting but it is kind of like he was trying to finish the book in a hurry and he left alot of questions to be answered, but maybe that is whtat he was going for. Im confused as to whether Winston dies or dreams he dies or in fact a part of him dies. i just wish he was more complete with his ending giving us something to think about rather than focusing all our attention on what actually happens to Winston. In my opinion i think it could have been finished better but overall it was an interesting fun book that got me thinking.
I thought that the resolution of the novel was a little dissapointing. I was hoping that Winston and Julia would stick together and fight against Big Brother. I was also hoping that there really was a Brotherhood and that they would overthrow the dictatorship and return things to the way they were before the war. At the same time Orwell did a good job of getting his point of death and destruction across to the reader. The ending was superb in a way because Winston finally succumbed to the will of the party and to loving Big Brother.
The last part of the book was very amazing it was a great ending to a great novel. When we first met O'Brien I had a very bad feeling that he was a huge Big Brother supporter and that he was very high in the party. But I really wanted to see O'Brien let Winston go because the Brotherhood would have been real and very effective but I do not think that would fit Orwell's style for this book to give Winston the ending that he would hope for. I was in complete shock that Charrington was a member of the thought police but I guess that is just another great George Orwell twist that he put on this book.
I thoght the last pages were riviting, gripping, and won of literatures great masterpieces. I couldn't put the book down until I finished it. This novel keeps the reader guessing until you get to room 101. I was shocked when Charrington was a undercover thought police;that just goes to show you can't trust anyone in Oceiana. This might sound stupid and erelevent but I thought that the ending was similar to Nurse Ratched. Julia and Winston are examples of what will happen if you try to buck the party (i.e.:RPM).Julia and Winston didn't get vaporized because now they are perfect Party members. Winston didn't really get shot in the head it is a metaphor. People that get shot in the head die instently. Even though he is living he is dead in-side. Torture can effect you physicologically and physically. My torture is just like Winston Smith's. Rats are vicious and brutial. They will bite his face of and go into his body until they get to his heart. It takes alot of guts to say "Do it to Julia"! Would you take the torture or would you beg for mercy and have someone you love go though that. Orwell is a genius when it comes to descriptive writing. He portrays the scene so well. The ending made me think about life in the present and the future.
I really hated the end of the book. I thought it was drawn out, and I can understand why it is so drawn out, but it was still boring. I really thought Winston was going to die, for real, not just on the inside like he did. I think that the resolution was pretty weak, and I don't feel like anything was solved. I think that's also the point of the book, Winston is left with a dead end, and is hollowed out inside. Winston betrays Julia, and now has none of his questions answered.
I thought the last 100 pages were very interesting. I couldn't believe that Winston would betray Julia. Throughout the entire book he was saying that whatever they do they would not betray one another, and he ends up betraying herself and in ways himself. I was hoping throughout the book that Mr. Charrington would end up a good guy, but in ways I knew that he was going to end up bad. I had thought that Julia was a thought police, and I was surprised that she wasn't. I knew that O'Brien was bad from the start. He was just to suspicious throughout the book.
I thought that the last 100 pages were hte most exciting pages in hte book. i felt that the first 200 pages were really just to prepare us for this ending. I thought the most intense part of hte book was when Winston was brought into room 101. The rats would freak me out. I really hope America can prevent a dystopia or at least kill all the rats. The book is stretching it a little bit but i think it could happen. When WInston goes back to conformity it is like when highschoolers try to be the like everyone else...Winston does the same. It is also the same becuase winston will go through pain if he doesn't conform. If highschoolers don't conform they are also put through pain. They arn't 'cool', they get picked on. Anyways this is a good book and i enjoyed hte ending.
The last 100 pages of 1984 are an extremely critical part of the novel. I noticed that 1rockz said that Orwell thought he was, "finishing up the story as fast as he can." The fact that Winston questioned the brotherhood so much was very ironic because he ended up being right. I liked the book because it seems more realistic to not have a happy ending because life does not always have a happy ending.78 I was a little confused about if Julia and Winston were going to stay together....
The ending wasn’t like what I had thought it would be like, I thought that Winston might have made some sort of victory, he did make a victory but it’s not what I had predicted. It was interesting at the part when Winston was in room 101, I was surprised at the torture and how severe it was, but also how it was not really that physically stressing. I was also surprised to find out about Charrington, it was a little creepy. I was also sad to find out about O’Brien and how he was actually a member and devoted to Big Brother, I was hopeing that he would have been on Winstons side somehow. Over all I really enjoyed the book and the ending was good but not what I had expected. Winston gets caught and “cured,” but I wonder if he still has thoughts of rebellion. It was also confusing about Winston being shot in the end, it kind of left us wondering, I wasn’t sure if he was shot or not.
The ending of 1984 depressed me alot. It felt like all my dreams were crushed and or taken away from me. I don't think that anyone wanted him to get cault or to cave under the preasure of Big-Brother. I wanted him to fight for what he believed it. It made me think alot. I really didn't expect Julia to give him up that easily and to turn her back. I wanted Winston the keep his sanity through it all and to be able to hook up again with Julia. But on the other hand i wanted him to die for his crime or to not go out without a fight .... die for what he believed in.
It is my feeling that the ending of 1984 is suitable for what George Orwell was afraid of. In Orwell’s fear there would not be a happy ending; it is a total dystopia. Being completely brainwashed and unable to have thoughts of your own, that is true control. Working in an assisted living home I’m slightly frightened of becoming like some of the residents: unable to recall what a hamburger is. Our mind is our greatest asset and it is important to be in control of it. The metaphor that O’Brien uses “the future is a boot stamping on a human head forever” is probably exactly how Winston feels at the conclusion of 1984. If I were to create a metaphor to describe my feeling towards the end of 1984 it would be, “individuality is life, without is society dies”.
I thought the book really started to get interesting after Winston and Julia are arrested by the Thought Police. In the Ministry of Love we really see the inner structure and motives of the Party, not just us thinking what actually goes on in their; myself personally I do not want to know half the stuff our government does because I would be very dissatisfied, but back to the topic. At first Winston thinks O'Brien is a prisoner too but soon finds out that he's really there to torture and cure Winston. In the last 100 pages the reader can begin to understand how the Party can influence and ultimately destroy people and their individualism. Winston and Julia both betrayed each other and become fully brainwashed. They are not released by the Ministry of Love until they love Big Brother which Winston now openly states he does. I think the ending was very appropriate even though I hoped either Winston or Julia would have stayed strong in their beliefs. It makes one think hard on governments and how we can prevent this from happening in our country and any other country because no one wants to live like the book "1984".
I thought the 100 pages of the book were very intersting. I was surprised when Charrington and O'Brien had been watching him and what not over the years. I thought that Winston and Julia would find a way to be together but at the same time I knew it wasn't going to happen because of how depressing the book really is. I think perhaps that Winston was not technically shot in the head but he died from what he used to be into someone that the Party would be able to control 100% because he had become completely brainwashed. Overall, I thought this book was very good.
In the final pages, you see the full effect Big Brother has on everyone that socity. Much different than ours, I can see how Orwell could fear or foresee a future such as in "1984". I'd wonder if he would think that if he were alive now, to see how similar our socity and the one in the novel are alike. I was fully hoping that Winston would stay strong and not become zombified, and the same with Julia. But that is not the case, the not only betray themselves but each other. Wishing such torture and pain to each other. I never even thought that the shop owner could be a member of the "Thought Police", he done a very good job being secretive about it and actully having a telescreen behind a picture of an old church. All and all it was a good ending to a book I did not really care for.
I also thought the last 100+ pages of the book were pretty interesting. mainly for the fact that winston gave up on his personal rebellion and gave into big brother. I just think that its amazing that someone who was so passionate about one thing would just give it up. people every day die for things they believe in fully so its just hard to see a character of winstons nature just leave it be and give up on his love and his cause because of his fears. it just makes you think that maybe he just in a way lusted for things he could not have and later found out that these things were not exactly what he wanted... overall though i found it opened up some more feelings within myself that i never paid attention to as much making this book well worth the read.
I feel that the last 100 pages are just Orwell's way of finishing up his side story.Much different than ours, I can see how Orwell could fear or foresee a future such as in "1984". I was surprised when Charrington and O'Brien had been watching him and what not over the years. I always figured that Winston and Julia would find a way to be together and everything would work out just perfect. I didn't ever expect there to be a telescreen in their "secret" meeting spot. And I always thought that the brotherhood would break through. This book made me take a look at my life and relize how much worse our government could be.
I thought that the last 100 pages of the book were definitely the most intense part of the novel. I was dumbfounded when we learned that Charrington was part of the Thought Police and that O'Brien was part of the Ministry of Love the entire time. It also shocked me when Winston and Julia betrayed each other because of the pack they made to not betray each other. The way I say it was anyone who was released from the Ministry of Love was really dead and that the ones who never returned were the ones who stood up for what they believed in and were willing to lose their lives for what they believed in.
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I thought that in the ending of the book 1984 there were some rather graphic parts. At which consisted of rats and there flailing attempt to take out Winstons face, this came as much surprise to me that someone can take an everyday thing, such as the rat, and make it into a destroyer and something that even the bravest of men would fear. But there was great symbolization in the ending also i found it sort of ironic that Winston and Julia didnt even see eachother at the end but yet they both found reason within themselves to betray one another against the grounds of the Brotherhood. All in all i would easily place this book as one of my favorites, for i love politics and government and its a change of pace to really look at what the future might bestow on us. Thank you for giving me the chance to read something so life changing.
I think that the last 100 pages were better than the beginning of the book. I think that the people would have to be brainwashed to torture someone else. I was surprised when Winston would rather have Julia get eaten by the rats than himself. I thought that Winston would have been vaporized but he was let go because he confessed his loyalty to Big Brother. I think that Winston still has his own thoughts, he keeps them inside instead of getting caught be the thought police again.
I never really got into this book but i thought that the last 100 pages were better then the beginning of the book. I was suprised to find out that Charrington was a part of the Thought Police. When Winston betrayed Julia i was shocked because Winston told Julia that no matter what happened they wouldnt betray one another. And i wasnt to suprised when winston was caught commiting thouht crimes becase he did it so often that he was bound to get in trouble. All in all the book was okay, not my favorite but it was interesting after i got into it.
I thought that the last 100 pages of George Orwell's 1984 were really intense. I couldn’t stop reading it! The line that reads "I was staring at a member of the Thought Police" gives me goosebumps every time I read it. The way they get people to admit to things they have never done is frustrating and amazing at the same time. The part where it talked about the rats eating Winston's face off made my whole body squirm. It was kind of disappointing, however, that he got brainwashed in the end.
I thought the last 100 pages of the book were very interesting. I didn’t think that Winston would give up and give in to the party. I find it interesting that he was so dedicated to being against the part and then he just gave up all that dedication and now loves big brother. This book can help us see how the can become corrupt, but it doesn’t show us how to prevent this from happening to us. I was bored with the beginning of the book but once i got to the last 100pages I couldn’t stop reading it. I was surprised when both Winston and Julia betrayed each other. I was disappointed in the end when he ended up getting brainwashed.
The ending was different than i thought it would be. I never thought he would be brain washed enough to keep loving big brother over julia. I think it is interesting what people will do to avoid pain, like telling them to torture someone else instead of them. I think that everyone has a point where they will give up being tortured, for someone else. knowone is that strong to hold that much pain. I do believe that some people hold pain better than others, but that doesnt mean they dont feel it, they can just hide it to show that it doesnt hurt when really it does.
The last 100 pages of the book were interesting. Orwell left a lot of questions unanswered. It almost seemed as if he ran out of time to finish his side of the story completley. It also shows the power big brother atcually had over the people, he literally made people betray the ones they love, which i think is completey uncomprehendable. The ending of the book was intresting.
I think Orwell could have put more thought into the final chapters. It reads like he finished his allegory to human nature and then needed to finish the plot, so he picked the fastest way to do it and just ran with it. The beginning of the book makes O'Brian out to be a potential ally of Winston's but turns out to be a double angent. What?! Also, Winston and Julia are returned to society, but I think Orwell missed a big fundamental of human nature: I dont think that the two would have been able to be brainwashed as they have been in the book.
Final Thoughts: Mediocre ending to a decent book.
I did not enjoy the first part of the book but when I got to the last pages I found myself very angry with Winston. I was proud of him for sticking to his morals and hating big brother but then i just despised him for betraying julia and then starting to like big brother. I absolutely hated Winston when in the end he decided to submit to Big brother and love him. Winston is not who i thought he was.
i didnt like the ending of the book. i thought that the middle of the book was way more interesting than the end of it. it is like orwell is just trying to tie up all of the lose ends. the ending looks dull. I think that in the end, Winston kind of likes being under the control of the party. He doesnt have to do the laborous task of thinking for himself anymore, everything is just set out for him to follow along with, and in the end that is okay with him.
The conclusion of 1984 was the best part of the book, other than the secret love affair between Winston and Julia. At the end when he was being tortured is was almost painful to read but very intense. When Winston went to room 101 it made me think, what would be my ultimate terror. I hated when Winston said he loved Big Brother. I thought he would turn out different from all the others that just conformed to the party. I understand Orwell did this to make a point but it just kind of makes you lose hope for Oceania. I think some of the concepts are pretty heavy, but we can still understand and learn from it with help from Mr. C.
I thought the last one hundred pages of the book were a lot more interesting that the beginning. I thought it was more interesting because there was more action. The beginning of the book focused mainly on the thoughts of different characters. The ending, however, showed Winston being captured by the thought police. He was then tortured by some rats. It was amazing to see how brainwashed some of the characters had become. Winston was so brainwashed that he told the thought police to torture Julia instead of his self. Many other characters also preferred that other be tortured instead of themselves. Overall, I thought the ending sent an impactful message to the readers on just how bad the sitution really was.
The end of the book surprised me alot. I never thought Winston would wish his punishment on Julia the one he supposidly loved. By doing this it shows how brain washed they really are. They say they care about someone so much but when it comes down to it, if they can get out of it they will. It also surprised me how Winston, after all of this, just goes back to his daily life almost as if nothing happened. I would be devistated for the rest of my life and wouldnt be able to function correctly.
The end of the book was not what i expected it to be. I didnt think that the book would end with him turning to the party the way he did. he ends up completely lolyal to the party. i thought for sure he would get "vaporized". i didnt see that coming at all. it shows that the party can transform anyone and everyone is completely powerless. even the two people that try to defy what is happening in the end are more loyal to the party than most of the other people in oceania. the party has total power and will not fall. the world is etenally dull. for a while i thought that he was going to find goldstien or at least the brotherhood, which is now an obious name, and at least get out of ocenia to somewhere. but that is what makes this book so powerful, it shows that the world has fallen into a never ending rut of tyran and constant surveilance. it shows what could happen if we dont do what we need to keep the government in check.
I thought that Winston just caved in from the torture. I don't think he really loved Big Brother, but he had to make the madness stop. The resolution and conclusion are just like calling Sprint's customer service line when you want a simple answer to an important question, a question like is texting part of my plan (this could be really costly if it wasn't). You begin the call believing the answer is soon to come, but you get the automated fake voice that just keeps asking more questions. That's how the book left me, a little frustrated with the lack of answers to question: Was there really a rebellion, or was it just staged. Did Big Brother really control the world the whole time and just stage a war? There were so many questions I thought about when I was reading that made me want to ask more questions. The last 100 pages left me hanging.
I think the way orwell ended the book is almost the only way he could have ended it and still made it a classic novel. He doesn't tell us outright whether big brother, goldstein or the brotherhood really exsists. By ending with Winston becoming completely and totally brain washed he want to send the message to us the readers that this government has so much control it can take the worst of the thought criminals and turn them back to big brother worshiping zombies just like that. By doing this he leaves us thinking and contemplating about our own lives and on own government wondering if such a thing like this is really possible. Over all I thought the best part of this novel was by far the final 100 pages, it had suspense and unexpected turns and at the end still leaves you hanging wanting more and answers which to me is what makes a book good.
I'm not going to lie, I was not a huge fan of this book. O'Brien tortured Winston horribly for not saying that 2+2=5 instead of four when obrien was holding up four fingers. I found whatever O'Brien was doing with that dial and needle thing very disturbing. I do feel that the last sentence left a cliffhanger at the end. I personally think that everything they did is wrong. Taking control over everyone and everything. Telling people what they can and can't eat and so on and so forth. I'll admit that I barely read this book.
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